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I have to ask: Did you even stop to read those articles?
If you did, then you will know why I have no comment.
But if you didn't, let me explain it to you: He said, she said is not proof of firing over sexual orientation. Proof is in the outcome. A court outcome, since you referred me to two lawsuits. Show me the proof. Otherwise, Google on wayward son. It's done nothing so far to prove your point.
EDIT: I see you posted links with real court outcomes. But let me refer you back to your original post. You said YOU personally know people who have been fired because of sexual identity. Care to point me to those lawsuits and their respective outcomes? Because you make it seem like it is a rampant problem, which it is not, no matter how many articles you link. Has it happened? Sure. Is it an epidemic. Not by a long shot.
Furthermore, if these folks have been able to sue for remedy, then why the need for the new law? Buehler? Buehler?
I have to ask: Did you even stop to read those articles?
If you did, then you will know why I have no comment.
But if you didn't, let me explain it to you: He said, she said is not proof of firing over sexual orientation. Proof is in the outcome. A court outcome, since you referred me to two lawsuits. Show me the proof. Otherwise, Google on wayward son. It's done nothing so far to prove your point.
Your belief is that some gays only imagine that there's discrimination against them due to a victim mentality, or they're making it up in order to gain sympathy and attention from the general public. Is this correct?
sounds like a closet gay!! America is a free place. the NAACP shouldn't be forced to hire a KKK person simply to enforce diversity in that workplace. Similarly, people should be free to hire who they like, if that means they like HETEROSEXUALS, so be it.
Let me get this straight...you are comparing a gay individual to a member of the KKK? Nobody is enforcing diversity, they are enforcing the illegality of discrimination based on a person's homosexual lifestyle. BTW, why is "heterosexual" in caps in your post? Just wondering.
I have to ask: Did you even stop to read those articles?
If you did, then you will know why I have no comment.
But if you didn't, let me explain it to you: He said, she said is not proof of firing over sexual orientation. Proof is in the outcome. A court outcome, since you referred me to two lawsuits. Show me the proof. Otherwise, Google on wayward son. It's done nothing so far to prove your point.
EDIT: I see you posted links with real court outcomes. But let me refer you back to your original post. You said YOU personally know people who have been fired because of sexual identity. Care to point me to those lawsuits and their respective outcomes? Because you make it seem like it is a rampant problem, which it is not, no matter how many articles you link. Has it happened? Sure. Is it an epidemic. Not by a long shot.
Furthermore, if these folks have been able to sue for remedy, then why the need for the new law? Buehler? Buehler?
You said that you did not believe that people were fired simply for being G, L, B or T. All those folks in the links I provided were fired for exactly that reason.
The percentage of people fired for being transsexual, for example, may be a small number of the total people fired. So you don't think it's a problem. But the percentage of transsexuals fired is extremely high and it's a real big problem for them. Once a transsexual loses a job, they become pretty much unemployable. That too is a real big problem. ENDA is needed and it needs to include gender identity.
I think businesses should be able to hire or not hire the people they want representing their business. It is their money, skills and time invested. If I walked into a store and the clerk was some man dressed as a woman I would walk right back out. Gross!
And the sign says "Long-haired freaky people need not apply"
So I put my hair up under my hat and I went in to ask him why
He said you look like a fine outstanding young man, I think you'll do
So I took off my hat, I said "Imagine that, huh, me working for you"
Signs, signs, everywhere there's signs
Blockin' up the scenery, breakin' my mind
Do this, don't do that, can't you read the sign
Laws that protect a targeted lifestyle are "feel-good" laws. Employers have the upper-hand, even with such laws in place. I really don't give a damn if gays are protected. My whole argument is that such laws do nothing except protect against the most blatant of discrimination. That's it. Nothing more. If an employer doesn't like you, for whatever reason, and you are not party to a collective bargaining agreement, he/she can dismiss you.
Yes, they protect you from having your employer call you in and tell you they're firing you for being gay/Christian/Muslim/Handicapped/a woman/a parent, etc. But they don't protect anyone from being fired for those reasons. Like you said, if they want to get rid of you, they will. I'm gay and was laid off last summer, but I'm sure my being gay had nothing to do with it. I survived two rounds of layoffs before that and had no reason to believe it was anything other than "workforce reduction".
Laws that protect a targeted lifestyle are "feel-good" laws. Employers have the upper-hand, even with such laws in place. I really don't give a damn if gays are protected. My whole argument is that such laws do nothing except protect against the most blatant of discrimination. That's it. Nothing more. If an employer doesn't like you, for whatever reason, and you are not party to a collective bargaining agreement, he/she can dismiss you.
But at least the law is in place, now. Before, there was no law.
You're right about a collective bargaining agreement, but real Amuricans dont need job protection.
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