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I never stated there was a direct connection, I said that Al Qaeda operated INSIDE of Iraq, but outside of Bagdad.. No different than Afghanistan.. Camps operated INSIDE the country..
I'm not at all defending the move away from Afghanistan, I'm just pointing out that indeed the fight in Iraq was ALSO valid.
None of what you showed suggested an active Al Qaeda presence in Iraq. You can not even remotely make the same comparisons regarding Al Qaeda between Afghanistan and Iraq.
Uh hello, the Iraqi government was harboring terrorist as well.....shoot ole Saddam was the King of Terrorist.....right behind Arafat. Anyone that has thousands upon thousands of their OWN citizens MURDERED is a terrorist that must be stopped.
Pakistan is ALSO harboring terrorist as well.
Quit lying.
He was a dictator who we propped up for years. When he gassed the Kurds (20 yrs ago) we sat idle and did nothing. Now guys like you use it as a means to justify the bogus war in Iraq.
If Bush hadn't screwed up Afghanistan, by dropping the ball and going into Iraq, we wouldn't be having this discussion now. Because of Iraq, the terrorists have once again taken control of Afghanistan; half measures availed us nothing. Because of the open nature of the Pakistan border and it's shaky state, we must worry about these nut jobs wandering over and getting their hands on a nuke.
I'm not at all defending the move away from Afghanistan, I'm just pointing out that indeed the fight in Iraq was ALSO valid.
The fight in Iraq was not "valid". The claim was "mushroom clouds" and "WMD", none of which happened. There were claims of ties to Saddam, and that too proved to be false. There was nothing valid about any of it. Zero connection, none, nada, zip, zilch. Get over it, you're wrong, and 4,000 soldiers died because of Bush and liars like you who won't give it up already.
Yes, Obama is Bush III. We had Bush Classic, then Bush Lite, and now Bush Dark. Or maybe New Bush?
Hardly. Unlike Bush, Obama is actually going after the terrorists for a change rather than Iraqi goat farmers and children. He made this very clear during his run for office, ie he would focus on Afghanistan (where the terrorists actually are) and get out of Iraq (where they were not.)
Bin Laden reportedly leaves Afghanistan, whereabouts unknown
Osama bin Laden, the Saudi millionaire accused by the United States of plotting bomb attacks on two U.S. embassies in Africa, has left Afghanistan, Afghan sources said Saturday.
Taliban authorities in the militia's southern stronghold of Kandahar refused to either confirm or deny reports that bin Laden had left the country.
Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein has offered asylum to bin Laden, who openly supports Iraq against the Western powers.
Despite repeated demands from Washington, the Taliban refused to hand over bin Laden after the August 7 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, demanding proof of his involvement in terrorist activities.
The Taliban did promise that bin Laden would not use Afghanistan as a staging arena for terrorist activities.
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The Guardian
February 6, 1999
Saddam link to Bin Laden
By Julian Borger
Saddam Hussein's regime has opened talks with Osama bin Laden, bringing closer the threat of a terrorist attack using chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, according to US intelligence sources and Iraqi opposition officials.
The key meeting took place in the Afghan mountains near Kandahar in late December. The Iraqi delegation was led by Farouk Hijazi, Baghdad's ambassador in Turkey and one of Saddam's most powerful secret policemen, who has offered Bin Laden asylum in Iraq.
News of the negotiations emerged in a week when the US attorney general, Janet Reno, warned the Senate that a terrorist attack involving weapons of mass destruction was a growing concern. "There's a threat, and it's real," Ms Reno said, adding that such weapons "are being considered for use."
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US State Department
November 4, 1998
Bin Laden, Atef Indicted in U.S. Federal Court for African Bombings
New York -- Usama bin Laden and Muhammad Atef were indicted November 4 in Manhattan federal court for the August 7 bombings of the US embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and for conspiring to kill Americans outside the United States.
Bin Laden's "al Qaeda" organization functioned both on its own and through other terrorist organizations, including the Al Jihad group based in Egypt, the Islamic Group also known as el Gamaa Islamia led at one time by Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, and a number of other jihad groups in countries such as Sudan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Somalia.
Bin Laden, the US Attorney charged, engaged in business transactions on behalf of Al Qaeda, including purchasing warehouses for storage of explosives, transporting weapons, and establishing a series of companies in Sudan to provide income to al Qaeda and as a cover for the procurement of explosives, weapons, and chemicals, and for the travel of operatives.
According to the indictment, bin Laden and al Qaeda forged alliances with the National Islamic Front in Sudan and with representatives of the Government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezballah with the goal of working together against their common enemies in the West, particularly the United States.
"In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the Government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq," the indictment said.
Beginning in 1992, bin Laden allegedly issued through his "fatwah" committees a series of escalating "fatwahs" against the United States, certain military personnel, and, eventually in February 1998, a "fatwah" stating that Muslims should kill Americans -- including civilians -- anywhere in the world they can be found.
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three examples of binladen/alqada assosiating with IRAQ...all BEFORE bush
Saddam had almost nothing to do with Al-Qaeda, the guy was secular he was against extremism, even if he had a relationship with them, he will only use them to fight his enemies instead of using his soldiers. Its like how the U.S. helped & funded the Mujahedin back in the 1980s against the soviets.
Hardly. Unlike Bush, Obama is actually going after the terrorists for a change rather than Iraqi goat farmers and children. He made this very clear during his run for office, ie he would focus on Afghanistan (where the terrorists actually are) and get out of Iraq (where they were not.)
Al-Qaeda are almost done anyways, Obama is dumb for sending his troops to fight the Taliban because the Taliban are supported by the pashtuns in both Pakistan and Afghanistan. So its almost impossible to defeat them.
Hardly. Unlike Bush, Obama is actually going after the terrorists for a change rather than Iraqi goat farmers and children. He made this very clear during his run for office, ie he would focus on Afghanistan (where the terrorists actually are) and get out of Iraq (where they were not.)
Is there a set date for getting out of Iraq? I ask because so many thought he would have accomplished that months ago from his campaign promises. He has set a date for leaving Afghanistan so they can lie back and wait till that day and then come back after our troops are brought home.
BTW, our troops in Afghanistan are not happy with this date certain for getting out. I heard an old sergeant on TV this evening saying that he thinks there won't be a lot of fighting now that the Taliban knows the day of our leaving. How stupid can The Man and his advisors be?
long after mr obama has left office the right will try try try to figure out why no one i mean no one respects them any longer.
walk like men but badmouth like sarah palin
signed a former GOP
Hey Einstein, France did not attack us at Pearl Harbor, either
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