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Old 12-03-2009, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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NAFTA was passed and signed by a Democratic-controlled congress and president.......
You better do your research before posting.

Bush-41 negotiated NAFTA and it was passed in the House by 234-200. Those 234 votes in favor were 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats. Clinton did sign it and took a ration of **** from Dems for doing so. It didn't get the required number of votes in the Senate to pass as a treaty thus making it an agreement, not a true treaty. NAFTA is a Republican "treaty" passed because of the Republicans in the House and signed by the Republican-lite President.
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Old 12-03-2009, 05:03 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I think the middle-class has been shrinking since the early-to-mid-1970s. I believe it was 1973 when purchasing power peaked for the average American.

It really was "socialist" policies and labor unions that led to the expansion of the middle-class.
What? Your delusional! Socialism cannot posibley lead to "expansion" of the middle class.

Besides, the goal should be to move UP, out of the middle class. Not make everybody "middle class".

Only Capitalism can guarantee opportunity for all to improve their lives.

Any other system is opressive and punishes success.

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As long as we have a strong anti-socialist, anti-union streak in America, I think the middle-class will continue to be squeezed.
Would you care to explain how that is possible? Please. Explain the "logic" behind this absurd pronouncement!
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Old 12-03-2009, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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What? Your delusional! Socialism cannot posibley lead to "expansion" of the middle class.

Besides, the goal should be to move UP, out of the middle class. Not make everybody "middle class".
Ah, Capitalismworld, where everyone is above average......
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Old 12-03-2009, 06:05 PM
 
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So what exactly are liberals doing to help the Middle Class?
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Old 12-03-2009, 06:07 PM
 
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Ah, Capitalismworld, where everyone is above average......
You liberals are the stupidest people on the planet. Do you seriously think things were hunky dory in communist Russia or Eastern Europe? How about Cuba? China? Ask the immigrants who have fled those countries to go to CAPITALIST societies.
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Old 12-03-2009, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Reading, PA
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You liberals are the stupidest people on the planet. Do you seriously think things were hunky dory in communist Russia or Eastern Europe? How about Cuba? China? Ask the immigrants who have fled those countries to go to CAPITALIST societies.
The rich just dangle that carrot out in front of you -- you too can be filthy rich like them. And you suckers chase it. How many of you die rich? Most of you are lucky to die middle class, that middle class you so scorn as not being good enough. Talk about stupid..... The rich use people like you then eat them for supper.
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Old 12-03-2009, 07:32 PM
 
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You liberals are the stupidest people on the planet. Do you seriously think things were hunky dory in communist Russia or Eastern Europe? How about Cuba? China? Ask the immigrants who have fled those countries to go to CAPITALIST societies.
Wow. Talk about going to extremes. You know, there is some room to negotiate between extreme capitalism and extreme socialism. I admit - the right-wing is doing a good job of convincing some people that if you're in favor of any government intervention whatsoever, you must be a Communist. Luckily, I think their audience is limited to about 1/3 of the country. Rational people aren't buying their rubbish.
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Old 12-04-2009, 07:15 AM
 
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I love reading your posts Joey and all your dumbed down friends you make my day. I haven't laughed so hard these past few days since i worked at the railroad [before they diversified].You do know what that is don't you,get-up go to work every day,save,buy,consume... capitalism.The middle-class,baby boomers are the ones had made Billy Clintons economy i should know i is...is one. lollollol And no thats not a mistake Joey its you liberals-socialists with these entitlements starting with S.S. under FDR [hence the word Social...ism... Security]that they have over burdened, given to non-workers,S.S.I. is Welfare reform;Medicare under Johnson in '65;Obamacare-Cap and Trade is going to kill the middle class or what is left ...[ oh their i go again i hate that word] of it. Nafta-Chinese trade pacts sent your jobs overseas and no wonder they dont have to deal with unions,druggies,the E.P.A.,Occupational safety groups,government regulations,high taxes,etc. So you see Joey you have a lot to learn,you need to get a real job in the Real World and get educated i'am tired of carrying you and your kind ...my back hurts...lollollol.
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Old 12-04-2009, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Austin
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I love reading your posts Joey and all your dumbed down friends you make my day. I haven't laughed so hard these past few days since i worked at the railroad [before they diversified].You do know what that is don't you,get-up go to work every day,save,buy,consume... capitalism.The middle-class,baby boomers are the ones had made Billy Clintons economy i should know i is...is one. lollollol And no thats not a mistake Joey its you liberals-socialists with these entitlements starting with S.S. under FDR [hence the word Social...ism... Security]that they have over burdened, given to non-workers,S.S.I. is Welfare reform;Medicare under Johnson in '65;Obamacare-Cap and Trade is going to kill the middle class or what is left ...[ oh their i go again i hate that word] of it. Nafta-Chinese trade pacts sent your jobs overseas and no wonder they dont have to deal with unions,druggies,the E.P.A.,Occupational safety groups,government regulations,high taxes,etc. So you see Joey you have a lot to learn,you need to get a real job in the Real World and get educated i'am tired of carrying you and your kind ...my back hurts...lollollol.
You show complete economic ignorance. NAFTA and trade with China is Capitalism. Thanks to Fox News talking points everyone thinks Capitalism is no government regulation on the free market. While it is true that no regulation is an element of capitalism so is free markets like NAFTA and the WTO, and the free flow of labor which you people dont support. So therefore you ARE the socialist because you want the government to intervene to prevent free trade and the free flow of labor.
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Old 12-04-2009, 08:15 AM
 
Location: Keonsha, Wisconsin
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Read this tragic story at: Elizabeth Warren: America Without a Middle Class

The Bush Legacy is a miserable failure.
So true joe.
Even Mr. Independent doesn't like it either. Old news as it may be.

Dailymotion - Lou Dobbs Bush on Capital Hill, Amnesty Arm Twisting - a News & Politics video

would anyone believe that Bush wanted amnesty for illegals?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myWKjtxE4p8

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