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Old 12-04-2009, 11:10 AM
 
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Originally Posted by BigJon3475 View Post
It's all the Keynesian economist. This would be the opening of the faucet. Once the economy is back up and running then you tax like crazy to make up for bleeding money.

Keynesian Economics: The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics | Library of Economics and Liberty


It's going to take 50 years to unwind the massive, inefficient government burrecracy he's creating
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Old 12-04-2009, 11:19 AM
 
Location: The Great State of Texas, Finally!
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For saving jobs. Now we need infrastructure..completely different in his mind.

He probably read a book on FDR and is trying to restrart the old Jobs projects.
But I thought the "stimulus" was supposed to "save and create jobs" THROUGH infrastructure?
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Old 12-04-2009, 11:27 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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But I thought the "stimulus" was supposed to "save and create jobs" THROUGH infrastructure?
Yeah..that's how it was pitched, wasn't it. All those bridges and roads in America that needed fixing.

Well, we did fix up that tiny airport somewhere up north for that Senator..didn't we ?
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Old 12-04-2009, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Maybe Obama should shave his head, bleach his face, and turn his pinky when asking:

"$100 TRILLION dollars!" (ok, Michael Myers's character used billions, but we have to adjust for inflation )

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Old 12-04-2009, 11:35 AM
 
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There is suppose to be a multiplying effect of 1.0-2.5 for infrastructure spending. Also the same is "true" of purchasing of goods and services by the federal government. The problem is that too much spending can a crowding out effect.

Page 12 of 20:
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/106xx/doc...11-30-ARRA.pdf

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In the other direction, substantial government spending
can cause a shift in resources (including employees)
away from production in other firms and sectors to
government-funded projects. That indirect crowdingout
effect could cause growth in employment among
recipients of ARRA funding to be offset by declines in
employment elsewhere in the economy. Increases in
interest rates are one mechanism for such crowding out:
Higher interest rates discourage spending on investment
and on durable goods such as cars because they raise the
cost of borrowed funds. However, that mechanism has
not been an important factor this year because the Federal
Reserve has held short-term interest rates at very low
levels. Activities funded by ARRA could also reduce production
elsewhere in the economy if they used scarce
materials or workers with specific skills, creating bottlenecks
that hindered other activities. That effect, too, has
been much smaller this year than it might be otherwise
because of the high unemployment rate and large amount
of unused resources (as well as the diversity of activities
funded under ARRA). In estimating the size of such indirect
effects, CBO relied heavily on estimates from macroeconometric
forecasting models, informed by evidence
from other types of models and from direct estimation
using historical data.
The CBO is publicly funded and there should be no copyright violations.
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Old 12-04-2009, 11:36 AM
 
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Bend over.. Its the only place left Obama hasnt looked for revenue..

Well....we don't know that (for sure)?!
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Old 12-04-2009, 11:57 AM
 
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in the late 90s and early 00s, liberals would stress how we need to increase home ownership for the poor. (via a fannie/freddie & making banks have certain % of sub prime type loans) now that's obviously blown up

now there's a mess, and what's the solution? more government spending.


More government begets more government, which begets more government
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Old 12-04-2009, 12:00 PM
 
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in the late 90s and early 00s, liberals would stress how we need to increase home ownership for the poor. (via a fannie/freddie & making banks have certain % of sub prime type loans) now that's obviously blown up

now there's a mess, and what's the solution? more government spending.


More government begets more government, which begets more government
Well the left's mantra was "all the right talks about is cut taxes and less government." Now everyone gets to see their deeds and if they match their words. More government, more spending and higher taxes. The higher taxes hasn't happened yet but will as soon as things turn around, if they do.
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Old 12-04-2009, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Crossville, TN
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in the late 90s and early 00s, liberals would stress how we need to increase home ownership for the poor. (via a fannie/freddie & making banks have certain % of sub prime type loans) now that's obviously blown up

now there's a mess, and what's the solution? more government spending.


More government begets more government, which begets more government

Makes you wonder why they didn't go the Jimmy Carter route and have them all build their own houses and then have to pay for them, Habitat for Humanity. But, unfortunately a lot of people don't want to work for anything. I personally know someone who worked part time for me. She had an oppurtunity to do this, but working 40 hours a week for two years was just too much for her. She currently lives in government housing.
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Old 12-04-2009, 12:05 PM
 
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Well the left's mantra was "all the right talks about is cut taxes and less government." Now everyone gets to see their deeds and if they match their words. More government, more spending and higher taxes. The higher taxes hasn't happened yet but will as soon as things turn around, if they do.


the more government you have, the more government you will need to cleanup the governments mess.

the sad thing about the housing crisis, is many americans don't even realize how the government created it.

suckers.
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