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I may be in the minority but I see a few similarities with the beginning of Reagan's' Tenure and Obama's now
For example....Carter left the economy is a tough state similar to how Bush did when he left office.
I'm seriously wondering that if from this point on Obama completely mirrors Reagan's presidency. Would the people bashing Obama now start to love him?
Lets imagine if Obama did what Reagan did!
Lets say that in Obama's 2nd year in office U.S. enters into a more severe Recession (the worst at that time since the Great Depression), like Reagan did....
And Obama caused a soaring budget deficit to begin in his 2nd year in office, like Reagan did....
And Obama caused a slight rise in inflation, interest rates to double and unemployment to reach a new high (highest since the Great Depression) in his 2nd year in office, like Reagan did (10.8%)....
Lets say Obama's approval rating falls as low as Nixon's and Carter's were (35%) & Obama's party lose majority seat in House midterm elections in his 2nd year in office, like Reagan did....
And Obama raises Taxes on Businesses & Americans (the largest tax increase in history $100 billion tax hike) in his 2nd year in office, like Reagan did (TEFRA ACT of 1982)....
And lets say to get out of the recession Obama borrows records amount of money (quad-tripling the U.S. National debt), does Economic/Deficit Spending (continuing a bail-out of Chrysler, the railroad industry and Government takeover of failing Railroad Companies or the bailout of Banks like Continental National Bank deemed "TOO BIG TO FAIL), like Reagan did....
And lets say Obama administration began to fund and provide arms to two of our biggest enemies (lets use the Taliban and Iran), like Reagan did (giving arms/aid to Iraq and Iran), also if Obama began providing funding for a guerrilla organization (Like the Guerrillas in Darfur) **against federal law** who were charged with genocide and war crimes, like Reagan did (providing funding for the Contras)....
Also what if Obama gave a record number of illegal immigrants complete and full amnesty in an Immigration Reform Act, arguably causing a worsening immigration problem in America like Reagan did....
Or if Obama gave reparations to Black people, Like Reagan gave reparations to the Japanese (who were interned in camps during WWII)....
And lets say at the end of Obama's presidency the United States is by far the largest nation in debt borrowing money from foreign countries our grandkids will be left to pay, the national debt is 3x as much and the federal budget is 5x as much as when he came into office, like Reagan did....
BUT!
What if Obama by his 4th year in office, the recession has recovered, Unemployment is at an all-time low (since WWII), businesses are beginning to fully recover, America GDP starts a growth an average of 4% every year after, like Reagan did
Or if Obama in his 2nd term lowered taxes by more than anytime in U.S. history (for Top Earners nearly cut in half), increased tax incentives for investments and home purchases, like Reagan Did
Lets say by the end of Obama's presidency he plays a major instrumental role in defeating Islamic extremism and creating a better overall peace in the World along with winning the Afghanistan War, Like Reagan did (in his role in defeating Communism and winning the Cold War with the fall of the Soviet Union)
And lets say by the end of Obama's presidency overall the economy is largely prosperous (inflation record low, unemployment record low with 16 million new jobs created, record low oil prices, etc...) and America is the leading nation or superpower in the world.
Again lets say if Obama does every single thing like Reagan did throughout his Presidency, I seriously want to know would Conservatives/Republicans praise Obama?
Would you all stop bashing and start liking him?
Would Obama go down as one of the greatest Presidents of All Time?
I know a lot of this is hyperbole and hypothicals, but I seriously would like to hear you alls answers....
That would make Obama a Republican. Sure we would like him!
BTW you are correct it was just a bunch of hyperbole, but it was fun.
I particularly like you last sentence, this is one thing we can guarantee will never happen with Obama as president.
and America is the leading nation or superpower in the world.
**screaming in microphone** hello is this thing on!
You need to understand what Reagan did and what was happening before that cause 10%+ unemployment and 20% inflation.
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The great error in the earlier period had been that whenever there was a little contraction there was a tendency to expand the money supply rapidly in order to avoid unemployment. That stop-and-go policy was really what bedeviled the Fed during the '60s and '70s. That was the situation in 1980, in '81 in particular. After Reagan came into office, the Fed did step on the money supply, did hold down its growth, and that did lead to a recession. At that point every other president would have immediately come in and tried to get the Federal Reserve to expand. Reagan knew what was happening. He understood very well that the only way he could get inflation down was by accepting a temporary recession, and he supported Volcker and did not try to intervene.
Thats a great example Sarge, so is the answer he's bashed so heavily despite similar methods to Reagan early on because Obama is a Democrat?
Or is it more to it than that?
I guess with no true conservatives in this forum answering these questions; either they agree with me or running scared from this debate because it makes there IDOL Reagan seem more like Obama....
They're completely different in what they think the government's role is in our economy. Yes it's true that the government grew under Reagan and starving the beast didn't work. But that would also be true for every other president. You'd have to have listened to Reagan and researched his ideas for the decades he was in office. Much of his ideas came from being Governor of California where it was more of a technocratic position. The Presidential position was a bit different because Reagan's personality played much more of a role than his managerial skills. He had to gain wide support for policies that were not popular. For instance the nuclear arms build up. Many people labeled him as un-fit to have a finger on the button. In the case of the nuclear freeze agreement people couldn't understand why he wouldn't go along with it, especially with his daughter being one of the many proponents. The truth was that if Reagan had frozen nuclear arms that would have left the Soviets in an adventagous position.
Reagan was able to use the bully pulpit better than any president in recent times.
It's not just about the economy. Ronald Reagan was staunchly pro-life (even to the point of writing and publishing a small book about abortion.) Obama is not.
That wasn't always his position.
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The Therapeutic Abortion Act became law. And as would happen with nearly every abortion law in the years ahead, the mental-health provision was abused by patient and doctor alike. Reagan biographer Lou Cannon notes that even the bill’s Democratic sponsor confessed to being surprised that physicians so liberally interpreted the law.
..Cannon claims this was “the only time as governor or president that Reagan acknowledged a mistake on major legislation.” Clark called the incident “perhaps Reagan’s greatest disappointment in public life.”
The simple fact of the matter is that Obama could do each and every thing that the Republicans have on their wish list and he would still be hated because he doesn't "look" like them.
For these people, Obama is the equivolent of the first Black family to move into an all White neighborhood. They don't have to do anything wrong to be despised, the mere fact that they are Black is the offense.
Well you can't say the press loved Reagan:
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Remember that reporters at the time, such as Karen DeYoung of the Washington Post, said journalists regarded left-wing groups in Central America as the “good guys.†This included the Nicaraguan Communist Sandinistas, who seized power in 1979 with the help of then-President Jimmy Carter, and the communist guerrillas in neighboring El Salvador.
If Reagan had been black he would have never been supported by Republicans since lots of them are strikingly racist. It's the messenger not the message for the simple-minded [and why the GOP is viewed negatively].
Just can't argue any point without throwing out racism.
So you all are saying it is because Obama is Black? Wow I hope that is not the case
But again I'm looking for that answer and no expert conservative in this forum have come here an answered that question for me in my OP
Similar things Reagan did that Obama (deficit spending, raises taxes, national debt) is doing now, Conservatives loved and praised Reagan but hate and despise Obama.
Reagan had the largest tax cut in American history.
States are not like the Federal Government. Our debt based system in the Federal Government is done intentionally. If economic problems arise you can always just add more debt. In an economy that lives of "savings" that's not the case. Everything needs to be changed once you run out of money. In current economic times there is not enough gold to have a gold standard. The gold can't be mined fast enough to keep up with population growth and it's needs.
Once you read how tax rates effect our economy look at this graph and look at the correlation:
http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/graphics/LNS14000000_2427_1260023270187.gif (broken link)
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It's the messenger not the message for the simple-minded [and why the GOP is viewed negatively].
