CO2 Question (death, border, solutions, rating)

[Jaymie]

Originally Posted by chielgirl

Jaymie, you might want to research for yourself.
We don't have too many scientists on CD.

I just don't think the earth has heated , I have looked, I did not find data to support the theory that CO2 = warmer . Where is the warmer ?

[Jaymie]

Originally Posted by ergohead

There's just too much nitrogen pollution in the atmosphere.

It's about 78% of the atmosphere and it makes it hard on asthmatics, people suffering from emphysema, and cigarette smokers.

Atmosphere of Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If only there was a way to bring the nitrogen down to earth, we wouldn't need corporate nitrates to fertilize crops.

Do you think people are to blame ?

[cobolt]

Originally Posted by thecoalman

There was a court ruling that they could regulate CO2 under the current Clean Air Act but that ruling was based primarily on IPCC and CRU studies which are at the middle of the recent scandal.

If Congress doesn't act they can and apparently that is threat..... however Congress could amend the Clean Air Act to exclude them from regulating it. There's amendment with that language and if it's passed they will no longer have that power.

So how do they know if they are regulating and thereby affecting the naturally present CO2 already in our atmosphere due to atmospheric makeup or that "created" by humans? I'm assuming we'll soon have an exhale tax too.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Rumblebelly

For one, CO2 isn't an element. It's a molecule that happens to be the third most abundant gas in our atmosphere. CO2, along with methane and water vapor, trap heat

Changing the chemical composition of the atmosphere, even slightly, could change a lot more things than just temp.

.... care to explain exactly what portion of the atmosphere CO2 makes up?

Care to also explain what part of the "greenhouse gas" component CO2 makes up?

[Rumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Ferd

.... care to explain exactly what portion of the atmosphere CO2 makes up?

Care to also explain what part of the "greenhouse gas" component CO2 makes up?

Fair enough.
CO2 0.04% or 384 ppm. Of that, it ranges from 9-26% of the greenhouse gases.

At what percentage of blood alcohol makes it illegal for a person to drive in most states?

0.08%. At 0.03% your coordination is affected.

How many pounds of CO2 does a gallon of gas (6lbs) produce?

11 lbs

Funny how little numbers can make a big difference.

[Wapasha]

Originally Posted by Jaymie

Is it that he EPA claims the danger is that CO2 will warm the earth? Or is the harm something else ?

Its something else.

Look at it this way, if we were heading into a new ice-age, Gore and his ilk would not be encouraging Americans to burn more fossil fuels, even if the fuels were burned so clean that all they produced was water vapor and CO2, because the enemy is an unfettered capitalistic system and the freedom and prosperity that it brings.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Rumblebelly

Fair enough.
CO2 0.04% or 384 ppm. Of that, it ranges from 9-26% of the greenhouse gases.

At what percentage of blood alcohol makes it illegal for a person to drive in most states?

0.08%. At 0.03% your coordination is affected.

How many pounds of CO2 does a gallon of gas (6lbs) produce?

11 lbs

Funny how little numbers can make a big difference.

Hmmm…..

I believe your numbers are a bit off. All of the sources I have found suggest that Water vapor make up 95% of the greenhouse effect.

CO2 does make up more than 99.4% of the remaining green house gases; however, its heat retention capability is vastly lower than the other major GHGs so of the 5% of green house contribution, CO2 actually contributes about 75% of the heat effect. (Water vapor and CO2 impact the same part of the heat spectrum and thus have the same basic impact in the molecular level). Thus you can say that all of CO2 makes up 3.75% of the total greenhouse effect.

However, the pre-industrial baseline of CO2 in the atmosphere is understood to be about 288 ppm with natural additions being somewhere around 68 ppm and man made additions being somewhere around 32 ppm. That gets us to 388 ppm….


Now based on those numbers, anthropogenic contribution to all greenhouse forcing is about 8% of the 3.75% of all the green house gases. Based on these numbers, Anthropogenic CO2 makes up .003% of the entire Greenhouse effect.

So if the total greenhouse effect we are seeing today has caused a temperature rise of .5 degrees then man’s part of that .5 C is .0015 decree C.


If we are going to compare this to drinking it would be like giving an elephant a thimble full of near beer.

[Memphis1979]

Originally Posted by Jaymie

Is it that he EPA claims the danger is that CO2 will warm the earth? Or is the harm something else ?

The Earth will be just fine, whatever the CO2 level is in the atmosphere. We, and much of the life on this planet, would not be so lucky.

[HappyTexan]

Originally Posted by Memphis1979

The Earth will be just fine, whatever the CO2 level is in the atmosphere. We, and much of the life on this planet, would not be so lucky.

You are right..mother nature will correct herself and adapt. We..not so much.

[mossomo]

What's over looked and what any closet farmer in SoCal can tell you, is that once you introduce and increase PPM of CO2 in the garden, your harvest will certainly triple. There's no reason what happens in the micro wouldnt repeat in the macro, and that being greater/denser vegetation growth whereas trees and such act as carbon sinks.