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Old 12-08-2009, 01:54 PM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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No that isn't what he tried to do. He was making an analogy (and I'm not sure whether it was an appropriate one or not quite honestly)...

He didn't try to link the Republican Party to it's stance on slavery 150 years ago, or try to suggest that they were on the wrong side of history 150 years ago...

Apples and oranges.

Jadex is trying to credit today's Republican Party with freeing the slaves.... Today's Republican Party bears ZERO resemblance to the Republican Party of 1860...
Not apples and oranges. Read what he said and do not parse it. What he said was despicable.

BTW, dow does your dem party stack up to the one 150 years ago? Not quite the same, are they? Or do they still support slavery?
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Old 12-08-2009, 02:20 PM
 
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Not apples and oranges. Read what he said and do not parse it. What he said was despicable.

BTW, dow does your dem party stack up to the one 150 years ago? Not quite the same, are they? Or do they still support slavery?
Okay, let me summarize.... Follow along.

-Jadex suggests that the Republican Party of today somehow deserves kudos because the Republican Party in the 1860s ultimately was primarily responsible for removing slavery.

-I said that the parties today are not the parties that existed in 1860 except in name only and that it's moronic to take credit for that because the party happens to have the same name.

If you trace the two parties from that point to today, you will find that they are not at ALL the same parties that they were 150 years ago. The only thing that is the same is that there is a Republican Party and a Democrat Party...

So if you wish to join the idiocy and suggest that the Democratic Party today should be ashamed that "they" supported slavery 150 years ago, it would be equally moronic to what Jadex said.

This has ZERO to do with what Reid said (whether I find it "dispicable" or not is irrelevent). Reid isn't equating the Republicans today with Republicans of 1860.
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Old 12-08-2009, 03:10 PM
 
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Okay, let me summarize.... Follow along.

-Jadex suggests that the Republican Party of today somehow deserves kudos because the Republican Party in the 1860s ultimately was primarily responsible for removing slavery.
No, he said that it was a lie that Republicans 150 years ago were against slavery. No matter how you try to spin it.

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-I said that the parties today are not the parties that existed in 1860 except in name only and that it's moronic to take credit for that because the party happens to have the same name.
In which case it is moronic for your democrats to try to lay claim to some imagined moral high ground founded in 1860. See? It works both ways.

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If you trace the two parties from that point to today, you will find that they are not at ALL the same parties that they were 150 years ago. The only thing that is the same is that there is a Republican Party and a Democrat Party...
Which would indicate further that Reids statement is at best misleading but probably more likely a political lie.

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So if you wish to join the idiocy and suggest that the Democratic Party today should be ashamed that "they" supported slavery 150 years ago, it would be equally moronic to what Jadex said.
Equally, as has already been pointed out, the Democratic Party cannot claim any high ground from 150 years ago is theirs today. That would truly be moronic of you.

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This has ZERO to do with what Reid said (whether I find it "dispicable" or not is irrelevent). Reid isn't equating the Republicans today with Republicans of 1860.
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It has everything to do with what Reid said. He is trying to use the race card from 150 years ago and equate it with todays political parties. If you do not have a problem with this type statement, then you are part of the problem.
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Old 12-08-2009, 03:54 PM
 
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Reid is a liar and NOT a student of history. Just ask "Sheets" Byrd, he was one of those KKK members in the Senate who engaged in the filibuster on this issue.

Harry Reid's History Lesson - WSJ.com

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After all, it was Southern Democrats who mounted an 83-day filibuster of the 1964 Civil Rights Bill. The final vote to cut off debate saw 29 Senators in opposition, 80% of them Democrats. Among those voting to block the civil rights bill was West Virginia Senator Robert Byrd, who personally filibustered the bill for 14 hours. The next year he also opposed the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
Of course, you won't be hearing this from the MSM.
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Old 12-08-2009, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Harry Reid is Wrong on History and Wrong on Health Reform - US News and World Report

Harry Reid is Wrong on History and Wrong on Health Reform
If he continues on his present course, he may have a mutiny on his hands


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I am black. I am a woman. And, with all due respect, I think Harry Reid has lost his mind.

Yesterday, on the Senate floor, Majority Leader Reid compared those who oppose his healthcare reform package to those who opposed ending slavery, fought against women's suffrage, and thwarted civil rights.
As she says, Holocaust comparisons are next. This guy has truly lost it.
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Old 12-08-2009, 04:35 PM
 
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Let me understand the honorable man - - - using the force of government to COMPEL you to work for the benefit of another, so they can enjoy "health care" is GOOD. But compelling another to work for your benefit, in a private capacity, is BAD.

I think I get it, now.
When private people own chattels, it's slavery.
When the public collective owns the people, it's socialism.
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Old 12-08-2009, 05:55 PM
 
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This is the most asinine statement to have ever been posted here on CD.
No actually, it's pretty accurate. No African American members of Congress, hardly any African Americans at your conventions or campaign rallies.

I'd say it was pretty accurate.
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Old 12-08-2009, 06:04 PM
 
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The same thing was repeated by DEMOCRATS during the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and anti-lynching legislation!! The democrats still have a former member of the KKK as their senior senator.
Yeah, Southern Democrats like Strom Thurmond, who later converted to a party much more true to his 19th century beliefs, namely the Republicans.


The numbers don't lie. The Republican Party is the party of white guys. There is no diversity.

Since 1929 there have been over 90 Black Democrats. There have been 3 Republicans. Currently there are 42 black Democrats and 0 (zero) Republicans.
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Old 12-08-2009, 06:05 PM
 
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Conservatives don't distinguish people by their skin, period. Libs are always the ones bringing up color. Pay attention.

Conservatives don't have to distinguish people by the color of their skin because they're all white. Duh.
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Old 12-08-2009, 06:08 PM
 
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Reid is a liar and NOT a student of history. Just ask "Sheets" Byrd, he was one of those KKK members in the Senate who engaged in the filibuster on this issue.

Harry Reid's History Lesson - WSJ.com



Of course, you won't be hearing this from the MSM.
1960's Southern Democrats = modern day Republicans. That's where they went after the Civil Rights Law passed. As Lyndon Johnson said to his fellow Democrarts when he signed the law ..."Well, there goes the South". He was right.
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