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LOL! RLC would see HF in the quote.... then respond.. I agree with both the HF and the WSJ.... and you of course...
RLC however, likes to debunk by disqualifying the person saying something regardless of the veracity of what was said….
keep posting this stuff! It is great!
This is the reason that I usually have him on "ignore." There is another poster that is just as simplistic in his thinking, he finally admitted that he is a communist. I'll bet rlchurch will eventually admit that he is merely frieghtened by the Al Gore infomercial, "An Inconvienant 'Truth'".
back to physics class for you. Water can be 100% liquid at 32°F. An ice water mixture will be at exactly 32°F.
At what pressure and purity of water? (come on Mr. Engineer, get with it.) ...besides that's not physics...it is chemistry...are you sure you are a degreed engineer?
...anyone with an eduction in the sciences would know that....however, someone without an education in sciences would have to guess.
the big warming numbers come not from measurements but from computer models. These computer models and their output are passionately defended by the modeling clique and frequently derided by empiricists -- but the bottom line is that models make an enormous range of assumptions. Whether all the assumptions, tweaks and parameter adjustments really collectively add up to a realistic representation of the atmosphere is open to some conjecture (current climate models do not model "natural" climatic variation very well), but there is no evidence yet that they can predict the future with any greater certainty than a pack of Tarot cards.
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Model shortcomings include ~25% regional deficiency of summer stratus cloud cover off the west coast of the continents with resulting excessive absorption of solar radiation by as much as 50 W/m2, deficiency in absorbed solar radiation and net radiation over other tropical regions by typically 20 W/m2, sea level pressure too high by 4-8 hPa in the winter in the Arctic and 2-4 hPa too low in all seasons in the tropics, ~20% deficiency of rainfall over the Amazon basin, ~25% deficiency in summer cloud cover in the western United States and central Asia with a corresponding ~5°C excessive summer warmth in these regions. In addition to the inaccuracies in the simulated climatology, another shortcoming of the atmospheric model for climate change studies is the absence of a gravity wave representation, as noted above, which may affect the nature of interactions between the troposphere and stratosphere. The stratospheric variability is less than observed, as shown by analysis of the present 20-layer 4°x5° atmospheric model by J. Perlwitz [personal communication]. In a 50-year control run Perlwitz finds that the interannual variability of seasonal mean temperature in the stratosphere maximizes in the region of the subpolar jet streams at realistic values, but the model produces only six sudden stratospheric warmings (SSWs) in 50 years, compared with about one every two years in the real world. ...Climate simulations for 1880-2003 with GISS modelE[SIZE=3] [/SIZE][SIZE=2]-- Hansen et al. 2007, in press.[/SIZE][SIZE=3] [/SIZE]
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Humans have only been trying to measure the temperature fairly consistently since about 1880, during which time we think the world may have warmed by about +0.6 °C ± 0.2 °C. As we've already pointed out, the estimate of warming is less than the error margin on our ability to take the Earth's temperature, generally given as 14 °C ± 0.7 °C for the average 1961-1990 while the National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) suggest 13.9 °C for their average 1880-2004.
and from PSU itself: http://junkscience.com/FOIA/mail/1255523796.txt (broken link)
Come on rlchurch...argue with a real empiricist.
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