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Check out the 2004 and 2000 elections, when a slightly more "conservative" was running (though after 2004 any claim of Bush being a conservative was tossed out the window). People were angry with Bush at the time. Mccain was not popular there, and Palin sunk him further I believe because she was more of the religious conservative than the libertarian conservative. Local and state level politics there is generally dominated by more conservative/libertarian leaning candidates. Even the dems up there typically look pretty conservative compared to dems elsewhere, but not a Southern type of conservative. Some of the college crowd went for O but usually they're a non-deciding group.
My tiny hometown did not jump for Obama.
Sanders won there in his 06 Senate run 61.23-36.25. 25 point margin vs his 33 point margin statewide. I do agree that the libertarian conservative element exists somewhat there, however the takeover of the Republican Party by the southern Evangelical wing has played a major role in why the GOP has been kicked to the curb in New England.
[quote=arctichomesteader;12414649]Check out the 2004 and 2000 elections, when a slightly more "conservative" was running (though after 2004 any claim of Bush being a conservative was tossed out the window). People were angry with Bush at the time. Mccain was not popular there, and Palin sunk him further I believe because she was more of the religious conservative than the libertarian conservative. Local and state level politics there is generally dominated by more conservative/libertarian leaning candidates. Even the dems up there typically look pretty conservative compared to dems elsewhere, but not a Southern type of conservative. Some of the college crowd went for O but usually they're a non-deciding group.
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Thankfully, my hometown, Burlington, DID jump for Obama, along with many other towns and cities in VT, so much so thay they declared VT for him very early on Election Day.
I would say that the Northeast Kingdom is the anomaly, not the rest of the state.
"Hippies and radicals"? Don;t exaggerate too much. Thousands of American came to VT in the 50s and 60s for employment reasons ( a brand -new IBM plant in Essex Junction, GE in Burlington, expansion of UVM, the Mary Fletcher Hospital, etc. The transition from GOP to Dem started in the 60s , with Phil Hoff, who was quite a bit older than a typical "hippie" of the late 60s
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Thankfully, my hometown, Burlington, DID jump for Obama, along with many other towns and cities in VT, so much so thay they declared VT for him very early on Election Day.
As many VT'ers might say, Burlington is next to Vermont.
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I would say that the Northeast Kingdom is the anomaly, not the rest of the state.
The NEK is the way the entire state was until very recently.
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"Hippies and radicals"? Don;t exaggerate too much. Thousands of American came to VT in the 50s and 60s for employment reasons ( a brand -new IBM plant in Essex Junction, GE in Burlington, expansion of UVM, the Mary Fletcher Hospital, etc. The transition from GOP to Dem started in the 60s , with Phil Hoff, who was quite a bit older than a typical "hippie" of the late 60s
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Don't try re-writing history. The massive influx was primarily of socialists, hippies, and various other radicals, and it tipped the scales to the left. They came largely because they were left alone here, partly because it was an easy target to do a social experiment on, and some of them were those radical environmentalists working early on for what is now known as the Wildlands Project, or, in other words, the rural cleansing or de-populating of most of the state to create a wilderness off limits to normal use by people. They've been more active in Maine recently (seeking to turn a big chunk of the state into a park), but they've been very active in VT as well. Governor Kunin wanted almost the whole state turned into a park (and wanted regulations that would go in that direction).
The end of one town, one vote, in the legislature by a politically inspired SCOTUS, has prevented any form of balance to keep the cities (Burlington most notably) dominated by outsiders from controlling things.
There were more than enough under-employed Vermonters to take any jobs brought to the state. The newcomers have largely destroyed the state economically and financially with socialist, anti-business policies. We've been bleeding jobs ever since they got a foothold in politics, taxes have been skyrocketing, real estate is through the roof because of all the wealthy outsiders buying up property as the taxes make people desperate to sell. If it weren't for federal dollars now and then (perhaps the real reason our congressmen have stayed in office, bringing home money), the state would have gone bankrupt years ago.
My family's been in this state since the Revolution, and mine and many others have been hurt badly in multiple ways by the takeover of the state by radicals. Anyone who's noticed will know most of the farms here years ago are now overgrown forests or subdivisions. Don't try re-writing history, I'm very familiar with what has happened here. On the bright side, I've noticed amongst younger VT'ers a real backlash against the stupid politics of those people, as they know precisely why they must leave the state for any opportunity.
New England Republicans have always been more moderate than, say, the South and the West. Since the 90s, conservatives have increasingly influenced hte party's direction. As a result, New England is solid blue at the national level, even if they vote Republican locally (as in Maine and New Hampshire)
This is quite true. Also, because the moderate Republicans have been pushed out of the GOP, those voters are now registered Independents.
As many VT'ers might say, Burlington is next to Vermont.
The NEK is the way the entire state was until very recently.
Don't try re-writing history. The massive influx was primarily of socialists, hippies, and various other radicals, and it tipped the scales to the left. They came largely because they were left alone here, partly because it was an easy target to do a social experiment on, and some of them were those radical environmentalists working early on for what is now known as the Wildlands Project, or, in other words, the rural cleansing or de-populating of most of the state to create a wilderness off limits to normal use by people. They've been more active in Maine recently (seeking to turn a big chunk of the state into a park), but they've been very active in VT as well. Governor Kunin wanted almost the whole state turned into a park (and wanted regulations that would go in that direction).
The end of one town, one vote, in the legislature by a politically inspired SCOTUS, has prevented any form of balance to keep the cities (Burlington most notably) dominated by outsiders from controlling things.
There were more than enough under-employed Vermonters to take any jobs brought to the state. The newcomers have largely destroyed the state economically and financially with socialist, anti-business policies. We've been bleeding jobs ever since they got a foothold in politics, taxes have been skyrocketing, real estate is through the roof because of all the wealthy outsiders buying up property as the taxes make people desperate to sell. If it weren't for federal dollars now and then (perhaps the real reason our congressmen have stayed in office, bringing home money), the state would have gone bankrupt years ago.
My family's been in this state since the Revolution, and mine and many others have been hurt badly in multiple ways by the takeover of the state by radicals. Anyone who's noticed will know most of the farms here years ago are now overgrown forests or subdivisions. Don't try re-writing history, I'm very familiar with what has happened here. On the bright side, I've noticed amongst younger VT'ers a real backlash against the stupid politics of those people, as they know precisely why they must leave the state for any opportunity.
Vermont has the 6th lowest unemployment rate in the country, and two of the states ahead of Vermont are ahead by .1%
Vermont has the 6th lowest unemployment rate in the country, and two of the states ahead of Vermont are ahead by .1%
If you lived here you'd laugh at those stats. A "good" job here is one paying $10 an hour or thereabouts. Lots of people with college degrees working at fast food and retail jobs here at minimum wage, because they couldn't get anything else. Try living here on those wages, between taxes and housing costs. Do look also at how those stats are calculated, lots of deceptive math to them.
As many VT'ers might say, Burlington is next to Vermont.
The NEK is the way the entire state was until very recently.
Don't try re-writing history. The massive influx was primarily of socialists, hippies, and various other radicals, and it tipped the scales to the left. They came largely because they were left alone here, partly because it was an easy target to do a social experiment on, and some of them were those radical environmentalists working early on for what is now known as the Wildlands Project, or, in other words, the rural cleansing or de-populating of most of the state to create a wilderness off limits to normal use by people. They've been more active in Maine recently (seeking to turn a big chunk of the state into a park), but they've been very active in VT as well. Governor Kunin wanted almost the whole state turned into a park (and wanted regulations that would go in that direction).
The end of one town, one vote, in the legislature by a politically inspired SCOTUS, has prevented any form of balance to keep the cities (Burlington most notably) dominated by outsiders from controlling things.
There were more than enough under-employed Vermonters to take any jobs brought to the state. The newcomers have largely destroyed the state economically and financially with socialist, anti-business policies. We've been bleeding jobs ever since they got a foothold in politics, taxes have been skyrocketing, real estate is through the roof because of all the wealthy outsiders buying up property as the taxes make people desperate to sell. If it weren't for federal dollars now and then (perhaps the real reason our congressmen have stayed in office, bringing home money), the state would have gone bankrupt years ago.
My family's been in this state since the Revolution, and mine and many others have been hurt badly in multiple ways by the takeover of the state by radicals. Anyone who's noticed will know most of the farms here years ago are now overgrown forests or subdivisions. Don't try re-writing history, I'm very familiar with what has happened here. On the bright side, I've noticed amongst younger VT'ers a real backlash against the stupid politics of those people, as they know precisely why they must leave the state for any opportunity.
An engineer hired by IBM in 1959 is a "hippie" or a "radical"...yeah, sure....
People have left VT , and especially the NE Kingdom, for GENERATIONS...because there's nothing to do...no excitement and no opportunity. No re-writing of history; you just have a very selective memory, and blame everything on "radicals".
An engineer hired by IBM in 1959 is a "hippie" or a "radical"...yeah, sure....
People have left VT , and especially the NE Kingdom, for GENERATIONS...because there's nothing to do...no excitement and no opportunity. No re-writing of history; you just have a very selective memory, and blame everything on "radicals".
If you dislike VT so much, then leave...finally.
The massive influx of people began in the 1960's, particularly a little into that decade, and continued into the 70's and 80's, not 1959, and it wasn't for the most part older, educated people looking for jobs, but younger people with very different reasons for relocating.
Vermont was never a wealthy state, but until recent years, it was affordable, free, and safe.
Perhaps the marxists should be driven from the state to trash someplace else. How about Mass.?
I was looking at American electoral history and it seems that these three states almost entirely voted Republican up until 1992 and then switched to the Democrats apart from New Hampshire which went Republican in 2000, what happened to make these states change from the Republicans to the Democrats so drastically?
I remember I watched the film "How to marry a millionaire" and one of the lines was were the girl asked "were is your dad" and the guy said "he's at a Republican rally" and then the girl said "he should join the Democrats" and the guy said "Not in Maine, he would be too lonely" that film was from the 1950's but it shows how much those states have changed politically, and I just wondered why?
It's simple, the libs are fleeing the liberal Mecca of New York state. The same thing is happening as libs flee the disastrous California and infect Oregon, Washington and Arizona.. They're like a virus, infecting state after state, and leaving ruins in their wake.
As many VT'ers might say, Burlington is next to Vermont.
The NEK is the way the entire state was until very recently.
Don't try re-writing history. The massive influx was primarily of socialists, hippies, and various other radicals, and it tipped the scales to the left. They came largely because they were left alone here, partly because it was an easy target to do a social experiment on, and some of them were those radical environmentalists working early on for what is now known as the Wildlands Project, or, in other words, the rural cleansing or de-populating of most of the state to create a wilderness off limits to normal use by people. They've been more active in Maine recently (seeking to turn a big chunk of the state into a park), but they've been very active in VT as well. Governor Kunin wanted almost the whole state turned into a park (and wanted regulations that would go in that direction).
The end of one town, one vote, in the legislature by a politically inspired SCOTUS, has prevented any form of balance to keep the cities (Burlington most notably) dominated by outsiders from controlling things.
There were more than enough under-employed Vermonters to take any jobs brought to the state. The newcomers have largely destroyed the state economically and financially with socialist, anti-business policies. We've been bleeding jobs ever since they got a foothold in politics, taxes have been skyrocketing, real estate is through the roof because of all the wealthy outsiders buying up property as the taxes make people desperate to sell. If it weren't for federal dollars now and then (perhaps the real reason our congressmen have stayed in office, bringing home money), the state would have gone bankrupt years ago.
My family's been in this state since the Revolution, and mine and many others have been hurt badly in multiple ways by the takeover of the state by radicals. Anyone who's noticed will know most of the farms here years ago are now overgrown forests or subdivisions. Don't try re-writing history, I'm very familiar with what has happened here. On the bright side, I've noticed amongst younger VT'ers a real backlash against the stupid politics of those people, as they know precisely why they must leave the state for any opportunity.
I believe this may be where NH is headed. I hope not, but it's very possible.
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The massive influx of people began in the 1960's, particularly a little into that decade, and continued into the 70's and 80's, not 1959, and it wasn't for the most part older, educated people looking for jobs, but younger people with very different reasons for relocating.
Vermont was never a wealthy state, but until recent years, it was affordable, free, and safe.
Perhaps the marxists should be driven from the state to trash someplace else. How about Mass.?
As long as they don't make NH a stopover. Mass. is just fine. They'll be at home there with birds of a feather.
I love Vermont, having spent many vacations there. Same with Maine. It's a beautiful state. But people who don't appreciate either are ruining them for the rest of us.
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Mass. is just fine. They'll be at home there with birds of a feather.
