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Old 12-14-2009, 11:07 AM
 
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No, the post was not off topic. It was in the same vein posted by ray 1945, which got a pass from you.ent from you on that post. If you want only a single-sided argument for universal healthcare, maybe the thread should have been posted in Huffington.

The man spent twenty-four years gainfully employed, twenty-two of which he had insulin-dependent diabetes. Obviously he didn't see the necessity to provide for the possibility of job loss/insurance loss.
How should he have provided for the possibility of the loss of health insurance? Keep in mind that diabetics cannot get health insurance at any price....
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Old 12-14-2009, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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i believe in China the government has aborted many fetus' because of thier one child policy...who's to say it won't happen here with the bills that are in legislation and that are being passed now as far as our freedoms are concerned?
do you think that America is going to institute a 1 child only policy?
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Old 12-14-2009, 11:10 AM
 
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It's easy to fall for the headline in that story as a tear jerker.

The reality is that government run health care isn't what people seem to think it is. They seem to believe that:

1. Health care will be free

2. Anything you want and need will be provided

Looking at all the proposed UHC proposals and studying other socialized medicine countries shows neither is true.

Health care ends up more expensive due to the extra layer of government bureaucracy. It appears "free" but it isn't. The government just takes the money from another pocket. It's bait and switch. You just pay for it instead with 17.5% VAT taxes and 63% income taxes.

Also with UHC, the government decides who gets what. The blogger that wrote that story seems to think under UHC he'll get all his diabetes stuff for free and whatever he needs but it has NEVER worked that way in any country with UHC.
I don't think Mr. Steinbeck is looking for free health care. He's paying $500+/mo now and I suspect he's willing to continue to pay that amount, or even more. His complaint is that he cannot get insurance at any price because he has diabetes.
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Old 12-14-2009, 04:54 PM
 
Location: SE Florida
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It's easy to fall for the headline in that story as a tear jerker.

The reality is that government run health care isn't what people seem to think it is. They seem to believe that:

1. Health care will be free

2. Anything you want and need will be provided

Looking at all the proposed UHC proposals and studying other socialized medicine countries shows neither is true.

Health care ends up more expensive due to the extra layer of government bureaucracy. It appears "free" but it isn't. The government just takes the money from another pocket. It's bait and switch. You just pay for it instead with 17.5% VAT taxes and 63% income taxes.

Also with UHC, the government decides who gets what. The blogger that wrote that story seems to think under UHC he'll get all his diabetes stuff for free and whatever he needs but it has NEVER worked that way in any country with UHC.
Yes, easy to fall for the headline. More difficult, I am discovering, for many to read the actual article. But don't let that stop you from you ranting on and on and on.....
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