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Old 02-24-2010, 03:34 PM
 
Location: USA, the greatest country in the world!
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Can Progressive-Liberals EVER keep race out of anything? They always have to insert race into any issue to create controversy and distract people from the real issues.

As soon as anyone opposes Obama's Socialist agenda, that person is immediately called a racist. If that person is black, then they are a "uncle tom".

This thread is a complete waste of time and a joke. But I will say this: I oppose the interracial relationship of Obama's mom and dad. Because of these two selfish idiots, our country is about to collapse.
Actually, I think lots of people would say they oppose THAT interracial marriage (or that relationship and the disastrous results it caused, really)!!

 
Old 02-24-2010, 03:35 PM
 
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Actually, I think lots of people would say they oppose THAT interracial marriage (or that relationship and the disastrous results it caused, really)!!
Repping your own post----hilarious!!!!

This is the post of the day!!!
 
Old 02-25-2010, 08:06 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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You're wrong. Racism is perfectly natural. And strife between differing religions, cultures and nationalities is also natural. It's both animal and human nature to mistrust and dislike what is different from us.

Having things in common with someone or a group of people is what helps form an alliance. And the more things in common, the stronger the ties. And that would include, looking alike, having the same moral values, same religion and same goals.

The more different the other person or people are, the more work and effort it takes to bond and form ties with each other.

And when we meet a stranger or strangers, what helps to make there be equal respect between everyone involved is having similar levels of technology, education and strength. That's why the first explorers and settlers to the North and South Americas didn't respect the natives. The Europeans had firearms and horses, and the natives didn't. To the Europeans, the natives were very primitive, and also not christian. So they had no problems taking advantage of the natives and treating them as less than equal. And that's what happened in Africa also.

Exactly, it's natural to distrust and dislike what is different from us. This paragraph goes completely against what you said in your first paragraph. It's not even thinking that the other group is inferior, it's just not liking them and not wanting to associate with them. And the larger the population involved, the more fractured the whole is.

It's also natural for a densely population group of animals or humans to feel stress and intense feelings of competition for any limited resources. So really, as the world population increases, the world economy worsens, and our environment is trashed... there is going to be even more strife between any given group of people, whether by race, nationality, religion or culture.
I realize that I seemed to contradict myself but his arguement is against interracial unions which as a human can be perceived as not a normal thing. The example that you and I agreed on would manifest itself in a controlled environment where everyone would be a similiar except for some minor detail (left handness, red hair ect). In this senario the more dominate group would turn on the ones that were different.

Let me explain it this way, if you were on an island with the opposite sex of different races would you develop a physical relationship with anyone that does not resemble you? Of course you would! But according to redshadow this should not happen.
 
Old 02-25-2010, 08:18 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Is nationalism also not natural?

Is it not natural to be concerned about other religions and cultures? And how those religions and cultures might affect your life in a negative way? Usually in the belief that your way-of-life is superior to others, and that others want you to conform to their ways.

Do you think those radical muslims actually believe that the Christian way is superior to their own?

Do you not feel more comfortable around people like yourself? Do you not care more about your family than you care about others?

How many people are there that insist they aren't racist, but have basically zero real friends who aren't their own race(especially anyone over the age of 25)?

How many people insist they aren't racist but don't date outside their own race, and do not approve of people dating outside their race? Why?

We can talk about Nationalism. Which is the belief that your nation is superior to others. That your way of life is greater than others. And many times this idea manifests itself in the belief that we should Americanize the world. Because we believe that America is exceptional and superior.

At the same time we cringe at the idea of French ideas or culture from permeating our own country. And try to reject their ideas at any cost.

Were we not afraid of communism? Did we really believe that the communists were going to invade the United States? Or were we just afraid their ideas and culture would spread and eventually affect us.

Many whites are fearful that blacks mixing with whites will dillute the white culture and heritage. That it will destroy the white way of life. They believe that blacks are different than whites on many more levels than just skin color. And believe that the black culture is damaging to America. They don't feel comfortable around these "outsiders".

I know people that will say that wanting to preserve your culture or religion is "natural". But these same people pretend that wanting to preserve your "people(race)" is unnatural, and should be fought against at all costs. Do you not see why these people are really just hypocrites? Do you not see why the constant fight against racism is politically motivated? And actually unnatural?

There is absolutely nothing abnormal about distrusting outsiders, people not like you. It is not abnormal to fear change, and want to preserve your way of life. There is absolutely nothing abnormal about believing that your people(whatever you define them as) are superior to others. And so there is nothing abnormal about racism.

Where people tend to disagree is over whether Africans, Europeans, and Asians are inherently different. This changes peoples perceptions of what constitutes an "outsider".

So what do you consider an outsider? How would you feel about different people living in your neighborhood? Dating your daughter? Living in your home? Apply these questions to different scenarios.

Someone from the same city, and went to the same school as your daughter?

Someone from another state? Lets say you are from California and they are from Texas.

Someone from another country? Maybe they are from Iraq or China.

Someone from another religion? Maybe they are a jew or muslim, and you are a Christian?

Someone who speaks another language? Or has a different culture? Or is a different race/ethnicity?

How do you identify your group? Who do you feel comfortable around? Do you think everyone will agree with you? If they don't agree with you, do you insist they must be wrong, backwards, ignorant, or just plain stupid? If there are so many different opinions, how does anyone really know who is right and who is wrong?

From the conclusions I have seen from mixing races/cultures/religions in the same territory. The results are almost wholly bad. It increases distrust, it increases violence, it increases crime, and it is does not make anyone happy. There was a study saying that not only does diversity increase distrust between the races. But it also increases distrust within the same race. You have whites fighting against whites and blacks fighting against blacks directly because of that diversity.

I have no idea why anyone would believe that diversity is ever good. It seriously boggles my mind.
diversity can be good only if it is not forced down someones throat, this creates resentment. Diversity on a voluntary basis is a wonderful thing, b/c it increases knowledge and understanding outside one's own way of thinking. Contributions on both (or multiple) sides of the racial divine can eliminate racial stereotypes that are created by ignorance of different cultures.
 
Old 02-25-2010, 08:40 PM
 
Location: The Land of Reason
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Originally Posted by CommonSense1 View Post
Can Progressive-Liberals EVER keep race out of anything? They always have to insert race into any issue to create controversy and distract people from the real issues.

As soon as anyone opposes Obama's Socialist agenda, that person is immediately called a racist. If that person is black, then they are a "uncle tom".

This thread is a complete waste of time and a joke. But I will say this: I oppose the interracial relationship of Obama's mom and dad. Because of these two selfish idiots, our country is about to collapse.
The same way that you insert a "socialist agenda" crap! Half the people that cry that "he is trying to insert a socilist or communism agenda don't even know what they are! Most of the time all that they do is parrot what someone else tells them w/o knowing anything else.

As far as Obama's agenda many of the people that are against him really ARE RACIST! If you do not want to believe this fact why have there been more threats against his life than any other president in history, and this started BEFORE he was elected!

Yes I would call a black person that would attack Obama for no educated reason an Uncle Tom just like I would call anyone else regardless of race something similiar if they attacked a person in his position for no valid reason!

As for you bringing up your dislike for Obama in a thread that has NO political connections whatsoever !@~%%$ you!

And incidentally, if the previous administration had not trucked up the country in the first place Obama would not be the president anyway!
 
Old 03-22-2010, 07:22 PM
 
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It seems like Americans, particularly white Americans, strongly oppose IRR. I understand that its 1929 moving to 1930, so that explains a lot.

Why do people oppose race mixing?
Here's what I get told. (As a Native American actively seeking a white man to marry me.)

They - the white men - don't want nonwhite children. It's either they feel that the culture of the mother will take over somehow, or what they might look like.

They don't want to introduce "us" to their family as their new daughter-in-law.

Marriage - they love to just treat us like sex objects. Marriage is too decent, too right, too "what the Bible says to do." Too much the right thing to do. White men want to just use us and then leave us hanging, to either abort the results or have the bastard children which, of course, is what we're supposed to be morally OK with in this day and age. (WTF? Some of us out here are still Anglo-Catholic!!!)

This is why I don't ask to "mix" with any one. I'm looking for a marriage of convenience to one. One who may be in the military and looking for the extra military-spouse pay thing. Or a gay who wants to pretend he's straight. Or...any way, ways that don't entail running the risk of children. You know, separate beds.

This, too, seems harder for a nonwhite woman to arrange. White men don't think we're marriageable in the first place, let alone a platonic marriage of convenience. I think only white women actually manage to get white men to go through with those.

Choctaws are not opposed to the white man+Indian woman thing. Black men sure as hell are, although why I even need to be told that enough for it to be worth me passing it along is beyond me. As in why black men feel a need to TELL me that to my face every chance they get is beyond me.
 
Old 03-22-2010, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Bayou City
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Here's what I get told. (As a Native American actively seeking a white man to marry me.)

They - the white men - don't want nonwhite children. It's either they feel that the culture of the mother will take over somehow, or what they might look like.

They don't want to introduce "us" to their family as their new daughter-in-law.

Marriage - they love to just treat us like sex objects. Marriage is too decent, too right, too "what the Bible says to do." Too much the right thing to do. White men want to just use us and then leave us hanging, to either abort the results or have the bastard children which, of course, is what we're supposed to be morally OK with in this day and age. (WTF? Some of us out here are still Anglo-Catholic!!!)

This is why I don't ask to "mix" with any one. I'm looking for a marriage of convenience to one. One who may be in the military and looking for the extra military-spouse pay thing. Or a gay who wants to pretend he's straight. Or...any way, ways that don't entail running the risk of children. You know, separate beds.

This, too, seems harder for a nonwhite woman to arrange. White men don't think we're marriageable in the first place, let alone a platonic marriage of convenience. I think only white women actually manage to get white men to go through with those.

Choctaws are not opposed to the white man+Indian woman thing. Black men sure as hell are, although why I even need to be told that enough for it to be worth me passing it along is beyond me. As in why black men feel a need to TELL me that to my face every chance they get is beyond me.
You need help hun. Hope you get it.
 
Old 03-25-2010, 04:03 PM
 
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You need help hun. Hope you get it.
Why - because I'm telling the truth and white people don't like hearing it?!
 
Old 03-28-2010, 11:55 PM
 
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as the question is posed, i think some people are opposed to interracial marriage because: 1) they fear strife, division, and general conflict over cultural mores, values, and dissolution of cultural heritage; 2) some fear that it is sinful, and some religions teach interracial relationships are inherently sinful; 3) some refuse to take on interracial relationships for fear of producing children who develop poor self-esteem, self-hatred, insecurity, and strong feelings of a lack of self worth. the lack of acceptance by other children, who can be incredibily cruel and insensitive to interracially mixed children, is often present because they mirror the lack of acceptance of the racial groups involved. an example that i have seen over and over, while practicing social work, is the "double whammy" the child experiences as biracial children in the white/black community. the child is often not accepted because he is seen as black, and, at the same time, he is not accepted by the black community because he is seen as white. in the black community, i have heard it said many times that a particular person is not liked or attractive because he is "too black" in skin tone. the "big fat, long-haired, white trash girl" is described as such for her desire to date interracially.

even w/ the current president, he plays the expression of biracial as opposed to african-american, depending on the audiences he stands before. before the election, he often remarked about his father being of africian descent and his mother being "white". after his election, he now identifies himself as an african-american: not biracial.

when all is said, however, it is complex, to say the least, and, in my opinion, these are just a few of the reasons interracial relations are not accepted by some. in my family, you do not gain respect from family members---even though they are family members---if you commit adultry or you are not married, but you live together as a couple. i was shunned by my father because i left the roman church. since the beginning of time people have found reasons not to accept others. it will always be that way---until the end of time.
 
Old 04-01-2010, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Sugar Land, TX
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The problem was, most Africans didn't want to go back to Africa, they wanted to stay in this country. But honestly, why would they want to go back to Africa? Why would anyone want to live in Africa? About the only decent place to live at any time in African history was South Africa before the end of apartheid, and that was only if you were white. Now, the place is an absolute dump, with one of the highest crime rates in the entire world(I think it is the highest in the world actually).

Interracial Divorce in the U.S. – Statistics and How Much They Matter

"Black husband/white wife marriages are twice as likely to divorce as white/white marriages, and Asian husband/white wife marriages are about 60% more likely to divorce as white/white marriages."

But surprisingly....

"White husband/black wife were nearly 50% less likely to divorce than white/white couples, and white husband/Asian wife couples had pretty much the same divorce rate as white/white couples."

White man + black woman supposedly has like the lowest divorce rate in the country. Which is pretty weird huh?

I can't lie, I find white-man + black-woman really weird. My sister has this gaming group that I go to with her sometimes, and there is a white man + black woman couple that comes in a lot. I don't say anything, but it is pretty weird to me. But, supposedly the white male + black female couple has an extremely high success rate. So, it would be kind of petty for me to complain, even though I don't agree with it.
First of all, don't talk for us Africans OK. Why would we want to go back? Most DO WANT TO GO BACK. They have no plans to stay here forever! Make money and send a lot of it back home. My father will be retiring in 10 years, and has already built two mansions in Nigeria. He and my mom will be leaving just like most Nigerian immigrants. America is where you come to get educated, make money, then leave.

Also, I'm a black woman with a white man. If it hurts you so much, close your eyes. Yeah, we have the lowest divorce rate because we are more selective. Black men would go with any trashy white chick. Black women have no interest in poor, uneducated white men.

We are growing. From just 90,000 white men black women marriages in 1999 to more than 200,000 by the end of this year.

I question White men Asian women, White women Asian men, and White women black men marriages...those always fail.
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