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Old 12-14-2009, 10:05 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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When one is at a loss for words and knows they can't argue the facts (you) then one attempts to change subject and pout (you also)

There should be no funding for murder (abortion) and no funding for needles

There SHOULD be funding for education scholarships

Quite funny how those whacked out *******s prioratize things

Your labeling abortion as murder shows you have not a clue about what constitutes fact.

I'll just ignore your NeoTard baseless blather until you do.
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:06 AM
 
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So you don't object to these priorities?

That says alot about you as a person.
Why? What is wrong with it? I thought conservatives scream about "socialism" and helping the poor. If they are poor, it is their faults. I cannot count how many times conservatives have whined and cried about how "throwing money at the issues is NOT the solution." Yet, here you are WANTING them to throw more money.

Abortion is a RIGHT for the woman. I will defend it no matter what. Call me pro choice, pro abortion, whatever. Does not bother me.

I could very EASILY turn it around and say " Each and every one of you ought to be ashamed to be associated with and supporters of the conservative establishment". I know I would be from what I see from some people on the right on here. Including the OP.
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:08 AM
 
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So does that mean you unfailingly support any and all social programs? If not, then i'd reconcile that you and I are on a level playing field. I do support many social programs. However, I also support pragmatism when funding those programs. In this case, there is something fundamentally wrong with a system that funds needles and abortions, but cannot find the money to support education for low-income children.

The fact that you don't have a problem with this in principal says alot about you as a person as well.

I don't believe that one article gives enough info to judge the situation either way, such as the quality/lack of available alternate schooling. Judging without those facts says a lot about you as a person

To me, what should be the issue here, is why is Congress running DC?
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:08 AM
 
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Your labeling abortion as murder shows you have not a clue about what constitutes fact.

I'll just ignore your NeoTard baseless blather until you do.

As if you know what is fact...

I will ignore your angry ******* rhetoric until you do
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:10 AM
 
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As if you know what is fact...

I will ignore your angry ******* rhetoric until you do
Hey man! I thought we were all cool with each other.

I recall repping you a couple days of ago and I believe you did the same.

Come on guys. Be nice! Everyone!
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:12 AM
 
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Hey man! I thought we were all cool with each other.

I recall repping you a couple days of ago and I believe you did the same.

Come on guys. Be nice! Everyone!

We are cool
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:14 AM
 
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We are cool
WOW! Believe it or not, I cannot rep you because I have done it too much!

I was going to write "No...YOU'RE cool!"

LOL!!!
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:15 AM
 
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Why? What is wrong with it? I thought conservatives scream about "socialism" and helping the poor. If they are poor, it is their faults. I cannot count how many times conservatives have whined and cried about how "throwing money at the issues is NOT the solution." Yet, here you are WANTING them to throw more money.

Abortion is a RIGHT for the woman. I will defend it no matter what. Call me pro choice, pro abortion, whatever. Does not bother me.

I could very EASILY turn it around and say " Each and every one of you ought to be ashamed to be associated with and supporters of the conservative establishment". I know I would be from what I see from some people on the right on here. Including the OP.
First of all, abortion is in fact a right, just as you said. However, a RIGHT does not automatically translate into public funding. I'm not sure why so many people believe that, just because a woman has a right, that the public must fund that right. It makes no sense.

Second, conservatives are for personal responsibility. Does that mean that we are against helping low-income children with educational opportunities? Absolutely not. Rather, we'd like people to get their personal and financial situations in order before proceeding to have children. That would cut down on the need for abortions, and it would cut down on the need for scholarships for low-income children. But in the end, most conservatives are not against helping the helpless; in this case children who will only perpetuate the revolving door of poverty if they are not helped via education.
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:23 AM
 
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First of all, abortion is in fact a right, just as you said. However, a RIGHT does not automatically translate into public funding. I'm not sure why so many people believe that, just because a woman has a right, that the public must fund that right. It makes no sense.

Second, conservatives are for personal responsibility. Does that mean that we are against helping low-income children with educational opportunities? Absolutely not. Rather, we'd like people to get their personal and financial situations in order before proceeding to have children. That would cut down on the need for abortions, and it would cut down on the need for scholarships for low-income children. But in the end, most conservatives are not against helping the helpless; in this case children who will only perpetuate the revolving door of poverty if they are not helped via education.
If it is a right, then why are you writing about "liberal priorities" and such. If it is a right, we have to fight to preserve it. Just like freedom of speech.

And I never said that it should be publically funded. I think it should be done case to case but that is another thread if you know what I mean.

Second, I am not saying you all are against helping the younger kids. It is just that when I see proposals or whatever to spend more money on schools, it is the conservatives on this forum who get up and yell the loudest that the "liberal solution is always throw more money at it! OMG!" But now, you are all for spending money?

I agree. People need to be more responsible about pregnancy. I don't mean to get more detailed but before I took off my AERO pants () for the FIRST TIME, I was on birth control and we used a condom. I am not pregnant. I have been with him for 3 years. If everyone else could do this, you are 100 percent right. Abortion would be needed much less and I am all for that. But once again, conservatives are the ones who worry about sexual education in schools too. So...I really do not have words for anything else. Haha.
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Old 12-14-2009, 10:31 AM
 
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The point is that these are local issues and not the business of Northern Virginia, the US Congress or anyone else. Butt out.
Last time I checked, individuals were free to comment and express their opinions on issues without running them by you first. All issues of law and politics are public knowledge. Nice try at deflecting the topic, however.

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Abortion is a RIGHT for the woman. I will defend it no matter what. Call me pro choice, pro abortion, whatever. Does not bother me.
You can be as pro-choice as you like, but that choice does not mean the rest of us should have to pay for it. Abortion on demand is a poor method of birth control that does not encourage an arguably more important reason to have protected sex - preventing the spread of STDs. If in the event of a pregnancy a free abortion is guaranteed, there is no incentive to change your ways if that option is always available, especially when compared to other options that must be paid out of pocket (such as various contraceptive pills).

And the eduction subsidy/scholarship program was (IIRC) a voucher program for parents whose children attended public schools that were failing. The argument against it was smarter children would always be the ones mostly likely withdrawn and sent to a private school, making the failing school even worse off. The argument for it is smarter students would be held back considerably by a school that did not fit their needs, which would cost them a possible scholarship or higher education opportunities in the future.
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