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Old 12-14-2009, 02:40 PM
 
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I wonder what kind of bonuses The Examiner handed out. Maybe I'll file an FOIA request. Oh wait...that only works for public entities. Too bad...the greed, incompetence, and corruption in the private sector would make for some fine fodder in CD-land...
Since you live in the area and in a better position to know, are you saying DC officials did such a good job of governing and serving their constituents that they deserved those bonuses?

If so, fine.
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Old 12-14-2009, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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I wonder what kind of bonuses The Examiner handed out. Maybe I'll file an FOIA request. Oh wait...that only works for public entities. Too bad...the greed, incompetence, and corruption in the private sector would make for some fine fodder in CD-land...
More chatter from a government employee. Who would have thought that a government employee would have no problem with a government giving a government employee a raise while everyone else struggles? Wow that is a news story.
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Old 12-14-2009, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Since you live in the area and in a better position to know, are you saying DC officials did such a good job of governing and serving their constituents that they deserved those bonuses?

If so, fine.
I live in DC and I'm happy that the mayor installed a bonus system. Let's put things in perspective, the writer claims that DC paid $15 million in bonuses since 2007. That about $5 million per year. DC budget is about $12 Billion per year. So the District pays out 0.04% of its budget as bonuses. Looks way too small to me.
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:01 PM
 
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I live in DC and I'm happy that the mayor installed a bonus system. Let's put things in perspective, the writer claims that DC paid $15 million in bonuses since 2007. That about $5 million per year. DC budget is about $12 Billion per year. So the District pays out 0.04% of its budget as bonuses. Looks way too small to me.
Then as a constiuent, lobby to get them increased.

As long as I, as a NJ resident, am not footing the bill, go for it.

Again, not living there, I don't know what the bonus recipients did to make DC a better place to inhabit.
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Then as a constiuent, lobby to get them increased. As long as I'm not footing the bill, go for it.

Again, not living there, I don't know what the bonus recipients did to make DC a better place to inhabit.
I don't either but I know the mayor and ever since he was a newbie on the city council has worked to make the city government more responsive to the citizens. Many years ago private industry realized that "pay for performance" is a very cost effective way to administer a salary plan.

I don't pay more taxes due to bonuses, I pay less.
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:08 PM
 
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Then as a constiuent, lobby to get them increased.

As long as I, as a NJ resident, am not footing the bill, go for it.

Again, not living there, I don't know what the bonus recipients did to make DC a better place to inhabit.
Michelle Rhee, the schools director, is the only person that may deserve a bonus, since schools have improved under her leadership. The problem is, she received a $41,000 bonus two months after she started in 2007, but we're just now seeing the benefits of her expertise. Good thing she's actually earned her money. Most of the money doled out in this town goes to waste. There are many, many examples of this in the paper nearly everyday. See how it works in DC? That's Democratic policy through and through.

Did you get a $41,000 bonus two months after you were hired? I sure didn't.
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:26 PM
 
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I wonder what kind of bonuses The Examiner handed out. Maybe I'll file an FOIA request. Oh wait...that only works for public entities. Too bad...the greed, incompetence, and corruption in the private sector would make for some fine fodder in CD-land...
Once again, this is illogical at best.

Governments are not privately ran businesses. Governments are ALLOWED to run a budget in the red... forever. Governments are able to raise taxes with the stroke of a pen which provides more capital. Governments have distinct and outlined responsibilities to serve those it governs.

Private business which hand out bonuses and cant afford to fail. They go bankrupt. Or at least they should, until government started sticking their noses in the mess. Eitheway though, your comparison of bonuses for government employees with their private sector counterparts are ill-founded and illogical.

You would be better off comparing them to a private sector condominium board of directors or a not-for-profit grant based organization than to try and compare them to a for-profit business.
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:27 PM
 
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And so many of them post on CD.
That's the truly pathetic part.

No matter how often you dispel the bs, they come back at you with the same.
Cheap shots at the end of the day are..... still cheap.

Debate your principles against logical dissent not cheap slander, or just be quiet.
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Old 12-14-2009, 03:30 PM
 
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I live in DC and I'm happy that the mayor installed a bonus system. Let's put things in perspective, the writer claims that DC paid $15 million in bonuses since 2007. That about $5 million per year. DC budget is about $12 Billion per year. So the District pays out 0.04% of its budget as bonuses. Looks way too small to me.
Are you considering their operating budget, or strictly their overhead for salaries?

Do they really have 12 Billion outlays for overhead salary a year? I don't think so.

That is the number you need to use to evaluate bonus percentages.

Otherwise, we can just take total budget expenditures for private sector companies and use that to justify CEO bonuses. Being that most of the CEOs who recieve large bonuses work for world-wide companies with huge amounts of outlays, there should be no gripping about the amount of their bonus.
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Old 12-14-2009, 04:08 PM
 
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Since you live in the area and in a better position to know, are you saying DC officials did such a good job of governing and serving their constituents that they deserved those bonuses? If so, fine.
Living in the area doesn't entitle people to review DC employees' personnel files, so I could hardly comment on any of the actual bonuses. I'll say a couple of things, though. First, the DC government overall has come a long way over recent years, and it is encouraging to see the feds adopting more and more of a hands-off approach and letting the city go ahead and function as a city. Second, the idea of performance bonuses can be a useful one. A bonus pool of $5 million per year lets me give $1000 to 5,000 people, and the city has about 35,000 employees, so that would work out to one in seven or so. If I could live with one in ten, I could give $1000 to 3,000 people, then split the other $2 million between 500 people, which would be an average of $4K per person for them. I could maybe live with that, but in comparison to the bonus plans at many private sector entities with 35,000 employees, I think this is still going to be kind of small potatoes.
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