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*yawn* No surprise there... Europeans in general are snooty and hypocritical when it comes to social issues. Their facade of socialism and the "love your neighbor" attitude is a bunch of BS that only the liberal socialists here in the US actually buy into. The reality is, Europeans are quite rude and curt with "outsiders". They may not exhibit their discontent towards you in person, but you can bet they will behind your back to others, or to themselves.
You can choose not to believe that if you want, but until you actually live in Europe for a while you just won't understand.
I agree with this. Nothing annoys me more than dumb Americans who have never spent any real time in Europe and assume they are more sophisticated and open minded because they are "European" as if they were the people equivalent of a Mercedes. Having lived in a Europe, I can tell you that Europeans are easily more racist than Americans and it isn't even close. They are not apologetic about their racist views and don't find racism to be wrong.
Have you had personal experience living in Europe? And, if so, where? Europe has always been more progressive than the US when it comes to race issues.
No, it hasn't! I spent time in England, France and Germany and traveled extensively in Europe. They are not more progressive. That is a farce! In Eastern Europe, they are openly racist to a group of people they call Romani. They call them gypsies because their origins can be traced back to India even though they have multiple generations living in Europe for hundreds of years. In the Balkans, the Serbs killed Bosnians because they were Muslim and had Arabic origins. In France, the Parisians can't stand their Algerian residents. In England, they openly ridicule Indian and Pakastani people calling them Pakis despite 2nd and 3rd generation Indians living there who are for all intents and purposes British. In European soccer, they throw bananas and stuffed animal monkeys on the field to ridicule their black players. Europe is very racist. Most Americans have no clue
No, it hasn't! I spent time in England, France and Germany and traveled extensively in Europe. They are not more progressive. That is a farce! In Eastern Europe, they are openly racist to a group of people they call Romani. They call them gypsies because their origins can be traced back to India even though they have multiple generations living in Europe for hundreds of years. In the Balkans, the Serbs killed Bosnians because they were Muslim and had Arabic origins. In France, the Parisians can't stand their Algerian residents. In England, they openly ridicule Indian and Pakastani people calling them Pakis despite 2nd and 3rd generation Indians living there who are for all intents and purposes British. In European soccer, they throw bananas and stuffed animal monkeys on the field to ridicule their black players. Europe is very racist. Most Americans have no clue
Are they "more" racist, or is the culture such that they are allowed to express racism more openly? The two are not the same. American culture more or less lambasts racist rhetoric as undesirable, but that does in no way mean that America is less racist, collectively, than Europe. And, Europe is a collection of countries, so comparing it in its entirety to the US is erroneous and unfair.
Are they "more" racist, or is the culture such that they are allowed to express racism more openly? The two are not the same. American culture more or less lambasts racist rhetoric as undesirable, but that does in no way mean that America is less racist, collectively, than Europe. And, Europe is a collection of countries, so comparing it in its entirety to the US is erroneous and unfair.
You have to question why one culture allows racism to be expressed more openly than the other. If the United States frowns upon racism and acknowledges it is wrong and tries to inhibit it, it is less racist.
The United States is often compared to Europe. You can't suddenly cry foul about comparing them when it comes to negative topics. The same argument could be made about the United States as some states and regions are more racist than others. There are many states in the United States that are as large and populous as some European countries.
Are they "more" racist, or is the culture such that they are allowed to express racism more openly? The two are not the same. American culture more or less lambasts racist rhetoric as undesirable, but that does in no way mean that America is less racist, collectively, than Europe. And, Europe is a collection of countries, so comparing it in its entirety to the US is erroneous and unfair.
Thanks, I am European and some of the posts in this thread are beyong ignorant.
You are right, in some countries people are not as offended when someone is openly racist, but that doesn`t mean than the racism is somehow bigger than in the US.
In the US it is publicly much more unaccepted to be a racist than in countries like Italy or the East European countries.
However, the US is just as racist as those nations. Just look at CD, there are so many threads/users that are crazy about racial issues.
But then, Europe is a continent with different countries and each has a different approach to racism. Where I live racism is NOT acceptable publicly, that doesn`t mean that some people are not racist.
The difference to the US is, that Germans live together with immigrants.
The neighborhoods are muc more mixed than the neighborhoods in the US.
That way young people grow up with people of other races and are much more likely to be more open-minded than older folks.
If you went to Berlin or Hamburg, you`d probably see just as many mixed couples or mixed cliques like you see in your country.
You have to question why one culture allows racism to be expressed more openly than the other. If the United States frowns upon racism and acknowledges it is wrong and tries to inhibit it, it is less racist.
The United States is often compared to Europe. You can't suddenly cry foul about comparing them when it comes to negative topics. The same argument could be made about the United States as some states and regions are more racist than others. There are many states in the United States that are as large and populous as some European countries.
The US is ONE country, Europe consists of many different countries.
You cannot compare these two in regards to racism, because every european country has different policies to fight racism or maybe some don`t even make that effort,
whereas the US has ONE government that generates the same anti-racism policies for the whole nation. You also have the same history, unlike european countries.
A country like Germany has an even darker history with racims than the US; thats why racism is not acceptable in public.
Thanks, I am European and some of the posts in this thread are beyong ignorant.
You are right, in some countries people are not as offended when someone is openly racist, but that doesn`t mean than the racism is somehow bigger than in the US.
In the US it is publicly much more unaccepted to be a racist than in countries like Italy or the East European countries.
However, the US is just as racist as those nations. Just look at CD, there are so many threads/users that are crazy about racial issues.
But then, Europe is a continent with different countries and each has a different approach to racism. Where I live racism is NOT acceptable publicly, that doesn`t mean that some people are not racist.
The difference to the US is, that Germans live together with immigrants.
The neighborhoods are muc more mixed than the neighborhoods in the US.
That way young people grow up with people of other races and are much more likely to be more open-minded than older folks.
If you went to Berlin or Hamburg, you`d probably see just as many mixed couples or mixed cliques like you see in your country.
I find your response hypocritical. A liberal from San Francisco has little to anything in common with a person from a rural area in Alabama or Arkansas for example. The only thing they have in common is they speak English. Yet, since they are both Americans, they are identified as one group. Each state in the United States could be argued that they have a different approach to racism as well. And Americans don't live with immigrants??? Have you ever been to Queens, NY or Mesa, Arizona? And if you go outside of Berlin or Frankfurt into rural areas of Germany, you wouldn't see many mixed couples either. What you failed to describe is the neo-Nazi movement in cities like Berlin are seriously downplayed by the German government and many immigrants particularly Turkish people are the victims of hate crimes that often go unreported and the government does nothing about it. In the United States, hate crimes are reported and make the front page news. You wouldn't be able to kill Turks and not have it reported in the United States like you do in Germany
Who cares if Europe is racist or not? Africans from Africa are racist. I can guarantee middle-easterners are racist. And I know for a fact that East Asians are racists. Thats the way it is and thats the way it always has been. And in most of those places, thas how it will continue to be for as long as we are alive. There are hispanics that are racists, saying "brown power", telling the white man to go back home to Europe.
What does it matter if Europe is racist or not? If you don't like their racism, don't move there, don't visit there, and tell everyone you know to do the same. Its silly that us high-and-mighty Americans sit around telling other people all the time what they should be doing with their countries. But do you think America is perfect or something? You do realize that America has a much higher crime rate than almost all of Europe. And we have MUCH larger racial issues than almost every other country.
Why can't Germany be for the Germans? Why can't China be for the Chinese? Why is it such a terrible thing that Italians don't like non-Italians to move there?
In the United States, you will never go to an NFL game and see large groups of fans waiving Nazi flags, throwing bananas and monkeys at Black players on the field and yelling racist chants. That would be unheard of here. Our country made a big deal when a fan threw a cup at Ron Artest and the players engaged in a fight with the fans yet in Europe, fans routinely yell racist chants at players. ESPN reported on this
The US is ONE country, Europe consists of many different countries.
You cannot compare these two in regards to racism, because every european country has different policies to fight racism or maybe some don`t even make that effort,
whereas the US has ONE government that generates the same anti-racism policies for the whole nation. You also have the same history, unlike european countries.
A country like Germany has an even darker history with racims than the US; thats why racism is not acceptable in public.
The US consists of FIFTY states that are as diverse as many European countries with the exception of language. To act like the people and culture in the United States is the same accross the board is an ignorant and uneducated statement. If you think all 50 states share the same attitudes toward racial tolerance, you are mistaken.
Anti-racism efforts are not limited to government policies. It is also cultural. Our culture does not espouse racism like the culture in many European countries. We are personally embarrassed by it. Even on this forum, those who are racist do not admit it directly even on an anonymous forum for fear of being ridiculed.
In my personal experience, If I compare the United States to Europe, I would say that Europe is much more racist. Even the Southern United States is more racially tolerant than Spain, Romania, and Poland to say the least
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