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Your evidence that Obama has done something all year, is that it took him ELEVEN months to do what everyone knew would be done LAST YEAR? ThAnd what is it you've linked to, ANOTHER executive order? What does this do to dispute that he's done NOTHING?
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No he couldn't He ran into a ton of legal issues, and resistance from local politicians who didn't want the prisoners in their state. I guess you missed all of that somehow.
Again where are these unbiased fact checking sites? I would love to start using them
He ran into NO legal issues, he ran into political resistance which is why him PROMISING to close GITMO within a year was so foolish. That doesnt mean it wasnt a promise and that it wasnt a LIE. He's doing the ONLY thing they could have done LAST YEAR, because if you are going to close GITMO and move them to the US, there is/was only ONE prison empty in the nation with security enough to hold terrorists. ONE.. Your telling me that it took ELEVEN months to decide to buy the prison which has been EMPTY for YEARS?
What unbiased facts are you looking for? The ones which claim Obama DIDNT sign an executive order to close GITMO?
If you are looking for proof see my above post. After that re-read your line about egos and apply it to yourself.
I'm sorry but all you've "proven" was that Obama made a promise to close GITMO, and signed an executive order to have this done within a year, that he didnt keep.
Sorry, but all you've done is spin his lies into "its not his fault"..
LOL Yea, well, once in office, there is no way of knowing what politicians will do. They technically could tell us anything and as long as it sounds good to us we will vote them in, but they could abandon all those promises or campaign points if they wanted to. They could just play it as if things simply changed and they were now presented with intelligence or actual numbers that keep them from doing what they got voted in for. Also, looking at the length of time of a presidency, they may not even have the time to do all the things that they said, so that it another way to get off the hook. When looking at a candidate, we from now on should probably be asking ourselves and researching whether or not a President can actually get those things done in four years. As we see, the first year of Obama's presidency is already almost over, it took him months to even begin to get things moving on many topics. We are voting in Presidents that are working on limited intelligence and data, their campaigns are going to be hopes intentions, but what happens when it is not even realistic to do what they want?
what i would have liked was aside from the presidential election was a lil bit more participation in the democratic process. just 1 question did you email your rep and senator to say
kill the bill?
i did and have been asking CDF posters to do the same for weeks, did they?
congress does not read CDF.
I did, but from the canned response, my representatives don't read email from voters, either.
LOL Yea, well, once in office, there is no way of knowing what politicians will do. They technically could tell us anything and as long as it sounds good to us we will vote them in, but they could abandon all those promises or campaign points if they wanted to. They could just play it as if things simply changed and they were now presented with intelligence or actual numbers that keep them from doing what they got voted in for. Also, looking at the length of time of a presidency, they may not even have the time to do all the things that they said, so that it another way to get off the hook. When looking at a candidate, we from now on should probably be asking ourselves and researching whether or not a President can actually get those things done in four years. As we see, the first year of Obama's presidency is already almost over, it took him months to even begin to get things moving on many topics. We are voting in Presidents that are working on limited intelligence and data, their campaigns are going to be hopes intentions, but what happens when it is not even realistic to do what they want?
i see what you are saying and it does take time but in the small time he's had he has rushed this healthcare bill along adding more and more pages to it along the way.....and he has made his own mistakes that could have been avoided like signing the stimulus bill which is actually costing us more and then promising 100 billion dollars to back his views on the carbon tax / climate change issue....that is no one elses fault but his own....maybe he didnt have experience enough to know that he couldn't keep all his promises in the short 4 years he has, but like my mom says to me...don't make a promise to people unless u can keep it....otherwise just tell them you will try to do your best...he vowed never to pass a bill that would raise taxes on the working class, but this has already happened from his signing of the bill
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hope and change, hope and change well now that everybody has taken off their god goggles thay can see the real truth. a politician is a politican!!!! and talk is talk!!! ,, bs is bs..
We who voted for Obama knew (at least I hope) that the whole "no tax increase under $250k" line was aimed at income taxes. It was a sly move to try to get any of the (in my opinion, dumb) "all taxes are evil" crowd to lay off. Of course other taxes would be have to be raised. To imput progressive govenment programs, taxes have to be raised in some form or fashion. I'd say that 95% of us who voted Obama knew this and are completely okay with it. Sorry if anyone was duped into thinking he meant "No new taxes" like the elder Bush meant. Obama ceratinly did not mean "No new taxes". He meant "No income tax increases on those making under this amont per year".
So let me get this straight - when he said "taxes of any kind", he REALLY meant income taxes? Why didn't he just say that? Lying? Stupid? Great choices, but in the end, we get the shaft.
Just a question - why are you completely OK with the government spending like drunken sailors, then taxing us to pay for it?
Your evidence that Obama has done something all year, is that it took him ELEVEN months to do what everyone knew would be done LAST YEAR? ThAnd what is it you've linked to, ANOTHER executive order? What does this do to dispute that he's done NOTHING?
So finding a location to house the prisoners is nothing??? Right. I forgot.
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Originally Posted by pghquest
he ran into political resistance which is why him PROMISING to close GITMO within a year was so foolish.
Foolish yes... but a lie NO. If I remember correctly I think I said I agree with you on that one. But you wouldn't know that because you don't really read thru the posts.
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Originally Posted by pghquest
because if you are going to close GITMO and move them to the US, there is/was only ONE prison empty in the nation with security enough to hold terrorists. ONE.. Your telling me that it took ELEVEN months to decide to buy the prison which has been EMPTY for YEARS?
HMM not true. The state planned on using the prison, but cancelled the idea in March 2009. Until then this prison was never really a option.
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Originally Posted by pghquest
What unbiased facts are you looking for? The ones which claim Obama DIDNT sign an executive order to close GITMO?
For anything really. What sites do you count as unbiased?
I'm sorry but all you've "proven" was that Obama made a promise to close GITMO, and signed an executive order to have this done within a year, that he didnt keep.
Sorry, but all you've done is spin his lies into "its not his fault"..
Where did I say its not obama's fault the prison wasn't closed in a year?
Please show me. Or are you putting words in my mouth?
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