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Old 12-25-2009, 06:56 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Yes. They make it seem like it was awful that Bush created a $2 Trillion Debt Ceiling and then because Bush started it I guess, it is O.K. now that under Obama we have or will soon have a $14 Trillion debt ceiling ---or 7 times worse.

Yes you are partially right, The 14 Trillion is a guestimate while Bush's 2 Trillion is a fact, depending on who's running the numbers. But the facts are that Bush handed the keys to Obama of a bankrupt government. Obama had to spend to prevent a worldwide depression and the US from defaulting to the rest of the world. As far as the reform programs he wants, tough cheese on you. Dems are in power now and they have an agenda you don't like. Well let me tell you that Bush and the republicans had an agenda the dems didn't like.

Of course the New World Order sponsored major media never belabors the issue or brings up that the national debt is 7 times worse than what it was under Bush. It is as if Obama gets a pass. He can keep on making the problem worse and Bush still gets blamed for it.

Maybe because the Media realizes that Obama is doing what is necessary to stabilize the country after the rampant excesses of the Bush Administration. Im sure if there was a spin there to be had they'd be all over it.
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Old 12-25-2009, 06:59 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, IN
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Actually we do represent most Americans. Over 60% of Americans describe themselves as "conservative".
Actual polling data would have us believe otherwise... Conservatives Maintain Edge as Top Ideological Group


Admittedly, conservatives are still the largest ideological group, partially as a result of political ideology becoming so deeply entangled with religious doctrine in this country (a really mystifying phenomenon, to be sure). However, only about 40% of American's openly label themselves as Conservatives.
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Old 12-26-2009, 10:21 AM
 
Location: SC
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Yes. They make it seem like it was awful that Bush created a $2 Trillion Debt Ceiling and then because Bush started it I guess, it is O.K. now that under Obama we have or will soon have a $14 Trillion debt ceiling ---or 7 times worse.

Yes you are partially right, The 14 Trillion is a guestimate while Bush's 2 Trillion is a fact, depending on who's running the numbers. But the facts are that Bush handed the keys to Obama of a bankrupt government. Obama had to spend to prevent a worldwide depression and the US from defaulting to the rest of the world. As far as the reform programs he wants, tough cheese on you. Dems are in power now and they have an agenda you don't like. Well let me tell you that Bush and the republicans had an agenda the dems didn't like.

Of course the New World Order sponsored major media never belabors the issue or brings up that the national debt is 7 times worse than what it was under Bush. It is as if Obama gets a pass. He can keep on making the problem worse and Bush still gets blamed for it.

Maybe because the Media realizes that Obama is doing what is necessary to stabilize the country after the rampant excesses of the Bush Administration. Im sure if there was a spin there to be had they'd be all over it.
It is SO UNTRUE that Obama HAD TO SPEND to avoid a world-wide recession. (Instead he HAD to spend because the New World Order BANKSTER elites wanted an excuse to rip off the taxpayers.) Go back to my analogy of a ship that is sinking. To stop the ship from sinking do you make the hole 7 times BIGGER? I think NOT. Instead you get rid of the hole entirely by patching it up. In Obama's case, instead of spending MORE, you COMPLETELY STOP SPENDING! If instead of spending our tax dollars like a DRUNKEN SAILOR as he has done, he should have STOPPED ALL NEW SPENDING and cut way back and reduced or eliminated the programs Bush started. Then you would have had a few banks go out of business, we would have had six months of a bad recession or mini-depression and then we'd be on the way back to prosperity. Instead we'll suffer through years upon years of paying for the programs that were illegally, and unconstitutionally implemented that we should be mad as h@ll about!

Congressman Ron Paul explained this before the election. There are numerous books about it. It is just common sense, for Pete's Sake!You don't create a properous economy by spending. You make a prosperous economy by manufacturing goods and selling them to make money so you have money to spend.

What Obama has done is comparable to an unemployed person with no money but with a credit card who uses it to buy a houseful of furniture and appliances --which is completely irresponsible-- as he knows full well he can't pay it back. Instead a person like this should be selling what he has to create some savings to live off of.

You certainly DON'T create a prosperous economy by creating more and more government programs that don't produce a thing. All government programs are reliant on TAXPAYERS to pay for them. However, at the rate the Obama adminsitration is going, we will soon if we don't already have more people either working for the government or on the government dole than we have workers in the private sector to pay for it.

If we were in bad shape after Bush, we are in 7 times worse shape with Obama and all but 27% of the people that voted are sorry that they voted for him and are disgusted about what he has done since he was elected.

Regarding the Media's response, I don't think you understand who controls the Media. For that matter, I don't think you understand why the President has made the decisions he has. Everyone that voted for him thought he'd do the opposite of everything that he's done so far and now those that realize what is going on and see what he's done is so contrary to what he campaigned on feel betrayed. Why don't you feel betrayed too?
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Old 12-26-2009, 10:33 AM
 
Location: SC
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Actual polling data would have us believe otherwise... Conservatives Maintain Edge as Top Ideological Group


Admittedly, conservatives are still the largest ideological group, partially as a result of political ideology becoming so deeply entangled with religious doctrine in this country (a really mystifying phenomenon, to be sure). However, only about 40% of American's openly label themselves as Conservatives.
As things get worse and start to hit voters in their pocketbook, I think they will QUICKLY realize they ARE'NT getting their money's worth and will QUICKLY become fiscal conservatives. Democrats may say they like the idea of more government programs but when they begin controlling their everyday lives by dicating to them what they must buy and can't buy (or pay a rediculous tax if they do) further invading their privacy, I think they will QUICKLY change their minds and want their constitutional freedoms back.
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Old 12-26-2009, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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It is SO UNTRUE that Obama HAD TO SPEND to avoid a world-wide recession. (Instead he HAD to spend because the New World Order BANKSTER elites wanted an excuse to rip off the taxpayers.) Go back to my analogy of a ship that is sinking. To stop the ship from sinking do you make the hole 7 times BIGGER? I think NOT. Instead you get rid of the hole entirely by patching it up. In Obama's case, instead of spending MORE, you COMPLETELY STOP SPENDING! If instead of spending our tax dollars like a DRUNKEN SAILOR as he has done, he should have STOPPED ALL NEW SPENDING and cut way back and reduced or eliminated the programs Bush started. Then you would have had a few banks go out of business, we would have had six months of a bad recession or mini-depression and then we'd be on the way back to prosperity. Instead we'll suffer through years upon years of paying for the programs that were illegally, and unconstitutionally implemented that we should be mad as h@ll about!

Congressman Ron Paul explained this before the election. There are numerous books about it. It is just common sense, for Pete's Sake!You don't create a properous economy by spending. You make a prosperous economy by manufacturing goods and selling them to make money so you have money to spend.

What Obama has done is comparable to an unemployed person with no money but with a credit card who uses it to buy a houseful of furniture and appliances --which is completely irresponsible-- as he knows full well he can't pay it back. Instead a person like this should be selling what he has to create some savings to live off of.

You certainly DON'T create a prosperous economy by creating more and more government programs that don't produce a thing. All government programs are reliant on TAXPAYERS to pay for them. However, at the rate the Obama adminsitration is going, we will soon if we don't already have more people either working for the government or on the government dole than we have workers in the private sector to pay for it.

If we were in bad shape after Bush, we are in 7 times worse shape with Obama and all but 27% of the people that voted are sorry that they voted for him and are disgusted about what he has done since he was elected.

Regarding the Media's response, I don't think you understand who controls the Media. For that matter, I don't think you understand why the President has made the decisions he has. Everyone that voted for him thought he'd do the opposite of everything that he's done so far and now those that realize what is going on and see what he's done is so contrary to what he campaigned on feel betrayed. Why don't you feel betrayed too?
Because I educate myself on the real causes of the problems the country faces and believe what the finest financial minds in the world have concluded about the current world-wide financial crisis and how to fix it. I do not parrot the neocon, media spin that is being spoon fed to the gullable, uneducated minority, too lazy to do their homework.
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Old 12-26-2009, 11:02 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Because I educate myself on the real causes of the problems the country faces and believe what the finest financial minds in the world have concluded about the current world-wide financial crisis and how to fix it. I do not parrot the neocon, media spin that is being spoon fed to the gullable, uneducated minority, too lazy to do their homework.
Those same people are what got us to where we are today....don't forget that part. Add to that the fact that none of them, save Roubine and Schiff, "never saw it coming".

They broke it and now they have a plan to fix it ? Who is being naive here now ?
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Old 12-26-2009, 07:03 PM
 
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Obama is in the pockets of Big Banks and Big Business.Most Obama defenders believe Obama is a saint.Time to WAKE UP!!! Bush=Bad,Obama=Bad are you satisfied yet? Bush was a bad president ,Obama is on track to be worse. Bush started 2 wars, Obama is escalating 2 wars.Bush had a deficit,Obama's is far worse.Obama loves the wealthy,even Bush sent stimulus checks to the people. Obama champions the banks ,gives them giant,interest freeloans with no strings attached then cries about it.Obama will kill the American work force trying to give Amnesty to millions of Illegal Alien Lawbreakers to further supress wages for hard working Americans. Why won't Obama send the American taxpayers a stimulus check?That would help the economy.He wants the American public to pick up the tab for his socialized medicine BS and all his other Socialist programs.Where is that hypocrite Pelosi? She railed against Bush on the wars,but gives Obama a pass? What a JOKE economic team,especially tax cheat Geithner.Maybe he should ask his Sage Oprah for advice,better yet he can go on DR. Phil and explain his short comings there.Time for this Administration to stop manipulating Data and wasting money on bad ideas that don't work .It's time to look after the US workers and get this country back on track if not the American people will suffer for 3 more years and all the whining that it was the Devil's (Bush's) fault is going to get old real quick.
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Old 12-27-2009, 03:51 PM
 
Location: SC
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Those same people are what got us to where we are today....don't forget that part. Add to that the fact that none of them, save Roubine and Schiff, "never saw it coming".

They broke it and now they have a plan to fix it ? Who is being naive here now ?

No Kidding! The last thing they'd do is admit they were wrong; give credit to Roubine and Schiff and start to actually fix the problem or at least not keep making it worse by the minute!
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Old 12-27-2009, 03:59 PM
 
Location: SC
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Obama is in the pockets of Big Banks and Big Business.Most Obama defenders believe Obama is a saint.Time to WAKE UP!!! Bush=Bad,Obama=Bad are you satisfied yet? Bush was a bad president ,Obama is on track to be worse. Bush started 2 wars, Obama is escalating 2 wars.Bush had a deficit,Obama's is far worse.Obama loves the wealthy,even Bush sent stimulus checks to the people. Obama champions the banks ,gives them giant,interest freeloans with no strings attached then cries about it.Obama will kill the American work force trying to give Amnesty to millions of Illegal Alien Lawbreakers to further supress wages for hard working Americans. Why won't Obama send the American taxpayers a stimulus check?That would help the economy.He wants the American public to pick up the tab for his socialized medicine BS and all his other Socialist programs.Where is that hypocrite Pelosi? She railed against Bush on the wars,but gives Obama a pass? What a JOKE economic team,especially tax cheat Geithner.Maybe he should ask his Sage Oprah for advice,better yet he can go on DR. Phil and explain his short comings there.Time for this Administration to stop manipulating Data and wasting money on bad ideas that don't work .It's time to look after the US workers and get this country back on track if not the American people will suffer for 3 more years and all the whining that it was the Devil's (Bush's) fault is going to get old real quick.
So TRUE! Too bad so many think Oprah walks on water. She may know how to produce successful shows, make people famouse by having them on her show but Economics and Politics is not her forte. She should refrain from having future presidential candidate hopefuls on her show with no work experience lest they end up getting elected like Barack Obama did. The last thing we need is another puppet who has zero concern about the country as president and who just does it for what HE can get out of it even if it means making campaign promises he has no intention of keeping and then as soon as he is elected becomes the Stepford president for the NWO elites.
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Old 12-27-2009, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Is anyone as sick and tired as I am of hearing the excuse over and over again from every Obama spokesperson, when an honest answer would just make the President look bad or, even worse than Bush, was that "Remember, he inherited (all the problems) from Bush??"

Fine. We all agree Bush made some terrible decisions. We lost our Constitutional rights and freedoms under Bush with the highly unconstitutional Patriot Act. We started two wars which began the irresponsible use of taxpayer dollars and the bank bailouts were engineered while Bush was still in office.

However, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if the bank bailouts and the wars were bad and didn't work, than additional bailouts and stimulous packages and keeping the wars going aren't going to work either. Instead they are just putting us DEEPER and DEEPER into debt. He is EXACERBATING problems started by Bush -- not fixing them like he should be doing.

Hasn't anyone in the Obama administration ever heard the saying "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of INSANITY"? You'd think one of his advisors would clue the President in about that. Doesn't the President have any pride? Doesn't he care what people think? Doesn't he realize how many Americans who voted for him he's let down?

http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab264/Dragging_Canoe/blame-bush3.jpg (broken link)
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