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True. The Dems sold out to the Big Business folks, the ones who normal give the Republicans their marching orders. Money talks. And most seem to have lost any balls they once had. They are more afraid of the lies and spin that come out of the Right than they are the wrath of their own base.
The Democratic Party represents a broad spectrum of Political Ideologies. From the far Left to very Central Right. In the Democratic Party, Big Business is a driving force in a large segment of that spectrum as well. The GOP is now pretty much exclusively Far Right and hence exclusively Big Business. So Legislation coming out of Congress will continue to favor Big Business, just to a lesser degree. The coming years will show gradual shifting toward Center and Center Left, followed by shifting to Center and Center Right. These shifts will continue back and forth. Even the GOP will recognize their Far Right philosophy cannot be maintained, if they want to have some Political voice. Even though this bill will still heavily favor Big Business, it will not always be so. The U.S. Health Care system is an evolutionary thing. There will come a time when the care side of it gets to where it belongs. That will not be overnight and this bill is just a small step toward it.
I just love how liberals are attacking the Healthcare bill as being a gift to the private insurance companies while conservatives are attacking it as a government takeover of the healthcare system. The problem is that everyone is so wrapped up in partisan rhetoric and in partisan talking points as expounded by pundits and think tanks... People should actually read through (wonky) policy analyses of what the bill actually does and try to assess it objectively.
If people actually did that then I think conservatives would realize it isn't a government takeover, rather it will really improve the lives of millions without harming private industry. Meanwhile, liberals would recognize that there is a lot of regulation in the bill to keep the companies from getting too out of hand while the bill really will, again, improve the lives of millions.
Honestly, its really not a bad bill. Its also quite moderate. I think this is why everyone hates it.
I hope you're right. My senator, according to her e-mails, agrees with you. I was in favor of a public option, but I'm not getting too worked up about this latest bill because it could look entirely different when the house and senate merge their bills and get it ready for the president to sign...or send back for more work.
Health Insurance Reform Online Resource Center (http://stabenow.senate.gov/healthcare - broken link)
The dems have ALWAYS sold out to big business folks, if you dont think this is true, you need to become educated. Do you think its those from the projects donating to the Democratic campaigns to get them elected?
You have proven once again that you know nothing about political parties or history. The Democratic Party historical was opposed to Big Business and were the party of the labor unions, farmers and small businesses.
I read this piece after reading much of this stuff on this forum this afternoon. It seems that either the progs here read it before I did or all of them agree about what the recently passed Senate bill provides. I wonder if the lobbyists who were in Dirty Harry's office helping him with that bill the last couple of weeks were all from the insurance industry. Sure sounds like it.
Historic Expansion of Health Insurance Coverage Cedes Control to Medical/Insurance Industries - Consumer Watchdog (http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/patients/articles/?storyId=31921 - broken link)
Good Morning,
An unprecedented and shocking example of "Realpolitik" in action.
How any so called "Servants Of The People" could take great pride in the current Health Care Bill is beyond all logical comprehension.
The "Acute Monomania" of our "Dirty Harry" has reined reigned supreme and the ignominious results of his pernicious workings are now becoming blatantly evident for all to witness !
It has become painfully obvious that the will of most of the American People has been successfully and vindictively "Trumped" by the radical
and arrogant absurdity of our Washington "DINO'S" !
What else these perverted "Loonie Tune" elected career politicians have planned for the American People is anyones guess .
Perhaps the most critical question of all remains for the American People to answer for themselves ... In our highly acclaimed "Representative Form Of Government" of 2009 ... Is it the American People whom are being heard and effectively represented by their elected politicians in Washington or is it the powerful special interests associated with Big Business ! The unamimous answer and ensuing solution to this most critical question may well define a most positive future for our beloved nation and it's unique people !
Only the American People can enact an effective change to the current political "Madness" that is unfortunately so prevalent and running rampant within this great nation !
Thank You / Lamar
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Reason: Lamars Spelling / Thanks
When will people ever wake up and realize that neither party is for the American people but for big business? Which party was in the White House when NAFTA was signed? Which party is working for an amnesty so big it will knock your socks off? An huge amnesty far bigger than the last huge one - no matter that many Americans can't find jobs, we're not who they're working for.
The two political parties that run this country (into the ground) are both owned and controlled by the globalist corporations, the politicians are bought out, they don't give a damn about the American people.
When will people ever wake up and realize that neither party is for the American people but for big business? Which party was in the White House when NAFTA was signed? Which party is working for an amnesty so big it will knock your socks off? An huge amnesty far bigger than the last huge one - no matter that many Americans can't find jobs, we're not who they're working for.
Bill Clinton was in the White House when NAFTA was signed which is why he isn't as popular on the left as some people think. But NAFTA is otherwise a Republican agreement and is not a treaty because not enough Democrats were willing to vote for it.
Bill Clinton was in the White House when NAFTA was signed which is why he isn't as popular on the left as some people think. But NAFTA is otherwise a Republican agreement and is not a treaty because not enough Democrats were willing to vote for it.
I am saying BOTH parties are not working for the American people but for the big internationalist corporations, so please don't try to turn this into partisian bickering. It's time the American people wake up.
They are both about big huge business and getting that business all the money and all the cheap labor they want.
You have proven once again that you know nothing about political parties or history. The Democratic Party historical was opposed to Big Business and were the party of the labor unions, farmers and small businesses.
And you have proven once again that you know nothing about how political parties work.
If you dont think unions are "big business", and farmers and small businesses connected together to lobby as a "big business", your a fool.
But now onto my original statement.. Even President Clinton enjoyed VERY LARGE donations from big business, all the way from New York Investment bankers to insurance companies, and lawyers involved with the tobacco industry and those who sold and transported military equipment. To sit there and mouth off your own ignorance about who gave what in history is just astounding. Do you forget the Clinton renting out the White House bedrooms scandal? They indeed were not being rented by folks who lived in the projects..
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Originally Posted by Sagran
Bill Clinton was in the White House when NAFTA was signed which is why he isn't as popular on the left as some people think. But NAFTA is otherwise a Republican agreement and is not a treaty because not enough Democrats were willing to vote for it.
And WHO lobbied for NAFTA? It wasnt some poor farmer or small businesses owners...
When will people ever wake up and realize that neither party is for the American people but for big business? Which party was in the White House when NAFTA was signed? Which party is working for an amnesty so big it will knock your socks off? An huge amnesty far bigger than the last huge one - no matter that many Americans can't find jobs, we're not who they're working for.
The two political parties that run this country (into the ground) are both owned and controlled by the globalist corporations, the politicians are bought out, they don't give a damn about the American people.
The only president who ever gave amnesty or even suggested it was Reagan. President Bush attempted immigration reform that would provide a limited path to citizenship for illegals that had very narrow criteria including large fines and extensive waiting periods. It was the neocon, conservatives who coined Bush's plan "Amnesty" as the ultimate scare tactic. I will correct the amnesty misconception every time I see it. Neither Bush nor Obama have ever proposed amnesty for illegals. Amnesty is just neocon spin.
I am saying BOTH parties are not working for the American people but for the big internationalist corporations, so please don't try to turn this into partisian bickering. It's time the American people wake up.
They are both about big huge business and getting that business all the money and all the cheap labor they want.
I, too, am so tired of the partisan bickering that is a constant in this country. Americans need to wake up and realize that all the partisan BS is exactly that - BS to keep us, the people, busy while the politicians of BOTH parties figure out new ways to screw us.
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