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How is it possible to be so myopic and simplistic????? Do you really think that because your children are not autistic, that explains EVERYTHING? Wow, that's pretty narcissistic.
No, it is called being objective, which many people who have children WITH Autism cannot be. They are SUBJECTIVE because it affects their children directly.
It is almost knee jerk at this point for many people- Vaccines caused Autism, that is the easiest thing to blame. How can You all be so simplistic to think that only one thing causes it.
There are a million variables involved, but the biggest is GENETICS.
My kids had the same Medications YOUR kids had- but my kids did not develop Autism. My kids ate the same food yours ate- but mine did not develop Autism. My kids were around the same cleaners, and toxins, and chemicals- but did not develop Autism.
This is a complicated disease, but many of you are trying to dumb it down to Thimerosal and Vaccines. Now that is simplistic.
Which may provide some basis for why Medical treatment kills more people each year ... 750,000 ... more than cancer or heart disease, making medicine the leading cause of death in the United States.
Please provide a source for this claim --- an actual source, not a link to a blog.
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for your information, there are no human studies because it would be objectionable to many, to use human babies as guinea pigs ...
And it would be unethical to deny vaccines on a random basis, because of their proven efficacy and safety.
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didn't miss anything in the article, and I'm not ignorant enough to use a reference that disproves my own point.
I find it altogether amazing that you could miss the most critical part of the conclusion in that very reference. This is what you omitted from the article's conclusion:
A higher percentage of the total Hg in the brain was in the form of inorganic Hg for the thimerosal-exposed monkeys (34% vs. 7%).
That's right ... bio-accumulation at the rate of 5 times that of methylmercury was found in the brains of the monkeys dosed with thimerosal. Not found in the stools, not in the blood, not in the urine ..... found in the BRAIN TISSUE. This means that the ethylmercury passes the blood brain barrier, and takes residence in the brain tissue.
IT ACCUMULATES IN THE BRAIN ..... BY A FACTOR OF FIVE TIMES THAT OF METHYLMERCURY !!! 34% ethyl versus 7% methyl.
Furthermore, the inorganic mercury is the most toxic form of mercury affecting brain neurons ... and there is NO "half-life". It remains in the brain ... unable to be "excreted". That means it stays there, and destroys neurological functions.
The conclusion continues: (same reference article)
The results indicate that MeHg is not a suitable reference for risk assessment from exposure to thimerosal-derived Hg. Knowledge of the toxicokinetics and developmental toxicity of thimerosal is needed to afford a meaningful assessment of the developmental effects of thimerosal-containing vaccines.
This is saying that ALL of the FDA guidelines for safe doses of mercury exposure from vaccines is TOTALLY BOGUS, because those guidelines were established based on toxicity of ingested methylmercury and not on injected ethylmecury, which this study shows to be far more accumulative in the brain, by a factor of 5. This means there is NO SAFE LEVEL that has been clinically established ...that the FDA and the Pharma Cartel have been lying all along, using ingested methylmercury toxicity as the basis for their safety guidelines without ONE SHRED OF SCIENCE to support it. And they know it, have known it ... and still know it now .... which means they are allowing the use of it WITHOUT legitimate safety studies. The FDA is in fact just as criminally culpable as the Pharmaceutical industry and willfully engaging in fraud.
No, you still are misunderstanding the numbers. You are using the percentages and ignoring the absolute numbers. The total mercury in the ethylmercury group was one third to one fourth of the total mercury in the methylmercury group. Let's average that and call it 29%. So total ethylmercury = 0.29 times total methylmercury (E = 0.29 M). Thirty four percent of the ethylmercury was present in organic form: .34E. Now, substitute for E. You have 0.34 (0.29M.) = 0.0986M. The percentage of methylmercury present as inorganic mercury was 7% = .07M. Notice that these numbers are very close, though the ethylmercury is slightly higher.
Now we have another problem that the study does not address and that you conveniently ignore. The exposure to ethylmercury from vaccines has been essentially eliminated. Most of the mercury that we humans are exposed to comes from the environment, including food sources, such as fish. Even those of us who did receive mercury containing vaccines would have the total exposure massively eclipsed by the environmental exposure.
Yes, ethylmercury and methylmercury are different, but methylmercury appears to be much more toxic. Do we therefore stop eating fish? Actually, there are some fish that should not be eaten, especially by pregnant women.
Here is all you might want to know and more about mercury: HSDB Search
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the FDA's rules require drug manufacturers to have clinical safety studies performed proving the safety of any drug or medicine BEFORE being approved for use. The criteria isn't to allow everything to be used UNTIL SOMEONE PROVES IT ISN'T SAFE
But the vaccines themselves have been safety tested!
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This means there is no safety data for thimerosal based ethylmercury. NONE. That means that it's use in ANY product should be banned immediately ... pulled from shelves ... and those who have known about this (at least for the past 5 years) should be criminally prosecuted, including officials at the FDA.
In any event ... not only was the ingested methylmercury toxicity levels falsely used to establish FDA guidlines for thimerosal ethylmercury safety levels, but the widespread propaganda claiming no bio-accumulation of ethylmercury was also blatantly false, as proven by the study referenced here. Not only false, but in fact, the monkeys dosed with thimerosal experienced a five fold level of mercury in the brain tissue as compared with those dosed with methylmercury.
Consequently, with regard to brain toxicity dangers ... the FDA guidlines are at least 5 times higher than would be safe, based on these findings. But it's even worse than that, because those guidelines assume no bio-accumulation, when there actually is significant accumulation.
the very fact that mercury concentrations were found in the brain tissue and measured is PROOF of bio-accumulation. The only way one could legitimately claim that there is no bio-accumulation is if every bit of mercury introduced into the body was eliminated through normal bodily functions. That there are measurable amounts of mercury found in the brains of these animals is proof that it accumulates.
More conclusions based on faulty math. And the fact that the mercury was there when the animals were killed for the study does not tell you what it would have been at a later time. Mercury is not forever trapped in the brain. It is eliminated, though more slowly than from the blood.
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Furthermore ... studies of the effects of mercury on brain neurons show that very tiny amounts destroy brain neurons as depicted in the video below ... showing that the IS NO SAFE AMOUNT ... any suggestion or insinuation that there is a safe level of mercury that can enter the brain, is by definition .... brain dead nonsense.
This would be saying that there are acceptable and safe levels of brain damage allowable .... so, you may take in mercury until when? You're too stupid to breath? Have trouble with crossword puzzles? When your motor skills begin to decline? You can't remember your own name? When and how much brain damage should the FDA allow?
The very idea is ABSURD. The safe level of mercury is ZERO. Any amount over that is unsafe. And only an idiot would claim otherwise, or believe such nonsense.
The problem with your argument here is that there is no way to get mercury exposure to zero except by dying. It is in the environment; no way to completely avoid it. Since we are not all dead, the safe level must be some number higher than zero.
"The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has estimated that, on average, most people are exposed to about 50 ng of mercury per kilogram of body weight per day in the food they eat. This translates to about 3.5 micrograms of mercury per day for an average weight adult. A large proportion of this mercury is likely to come from fish. Furthermore, people who eat a lot of fish are likely to have higher exposure to mercury."
Unvaccinated kids are very robust, extremely healthy little individuals..No vet would have to touch that animal, because it would be sssooooooo healthy, there would be no need for the vet
I get so sick and tired of hearing people say that if it weren't for vaccines, we'd all be dead of a childhood disease. We've only had vaccinations around for 60 or 70 years or so. How on earth did the human race survive and thrive before then?
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The polio vaccine given to babies in the 60's contained a cancer virus which might help explain why the cancer rate is closer to 1 in 2 today rather than one in 2000 as it was in the 1920's according to the British Medical Journal. Formaldehyde is a common ingredient in vaccines and there are many many others.
Who says this explains the higher cancer rate? Please provide the link to the study.
Formaldehyde Formaldehyde - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia is also in Childrens CRIBS and MANY other household products. You DO know that right? Infants SLEEP in those cribs about 14 hours a day. But you think the link is from VACCINES in the 60's? Wow.
When the population in 1920 died on average at 56.4 yrs old ... most cancers today are found in older people, you know that right For the year 2010= 102 yrs old- The 2010 Statistical Abstract: Life Expectancy
This is part of the fraud and diversions commonly engaged in ... that "thimerosal free" means "mercury free". This is simply not the case. ALL vaccines contain mercury, even the "thimerosal free" varieties.
This mercury, albeit in lessor amounts than what is found in thimerosal preserved vaccines is there, nevertheless, and is a byproduct of the manufacturing process. The "Thimerosal Free" advertising is an intentional deception that leads the unknowing to believe these vaccines are "mercury free", when that is simply not true. It is nothing more than a play on words.
What is not said is that the trace amounts of mercury contained in these "Thimerosal Free" vaccines can, in the volumes currently on the vaccine schedule, collectively represent the equivalent amounts of mercury contained in the thimerosal preserved versions. The volume of vaccines given today to children are 4 to 5 times that of the vaccines given to children 40 years ago, and the volume keeps growing, with many more waiting to be added.
The double talk has to stop .. and common sense has to be rediscovered here. The Federal Death Agency must be held to account, and the blatant deceptions ended. Countless examples exist showing the FDA granting drug and food product manufacturers permission to claim "XYZ Free" when XYZ is present in their products. The FDA sets an arbitrary level of such substances, and anything under that can make such fraudulent and misleading claims. It's a blatant and purposeful deception.
In the case of mercury ... there is no safe level. PERIOD. Because of the results shown in recent studies already discussed and presented in this thread ... ethylmercury, the type present in ALL vaccines, show a 5 fold increase in concentrations in brain tissue of the exposed, relative to methylmercury exposure
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See my reply to you above concerning your math error.
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And it is methylmercury for which the FDA used to establish safety levels of ethylmercury. This SIGNIFICANT fact is still being ignored by the FDA and the medical community at large, as they continue to allow children to be the pharmaceutical guinea pigs in their game of Vaccine Russian Roulette.
No child needs to be exposed to mercury by a current vaccine because there are vaccines available which contain no mercury.
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As for this statement:
"It's always something with the autism people. I wish they'd expend the energy on actually finding a cause and a cure that they spend on this anti-immunization stuff"
We are expending the energy ... and in the most logical direction ... to stop injecting children with known neurotoxins that are the single most likely cause of this "autism epidemic", that also shows direct correlation to increases in vaccination, while un-vaccinated groups have experienced no such epidemic increases.
The fact is, the pharmaceutical industry and the FDA have ZERO SCIENTIFIC, CLINICAL EVIDENCE of the safety of ethylmercury existing in all vaccines. Not one shred. And ALL of their efforts have focused on denying the hazards of a known neurotoxin, while attempting to convince the public of vaccine safety through deception and obfuscation of known facts.
The very idea that one can set a safe level of neurotoxin exposure to the brain matter of children is akin to claiming a safe level of brain damage is possible. It is nothing short of shear madness.
Although there is ample evidence that thimerosal in vaccines is safe, the issue is MOOT because thimerosal has been removed from childhood vaccines. They are available with zero mercury!
The single most likely cause of autism is genetic.
Vaccinated and unvaccinated populations have the same rates of autism.
I get so sick and tired of hearing people say that if it weren't for vaccines, we'd all be dead of a childhood disease. We've only had vaccinations around for 60 or 70 years or so. How on earth did the human race survive and thrive before then?
Many of them did not survive and thrive! They died of infections that we can prevent now with vaccines.
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Additionally if you look at the stats, we aren't EVEN living longer healthier lives than we did in the days before modern medicine UNLESS you factor in the infant mortality rate. Other than that we have more chronic diseases today; we have less safe food today; we have health prblems from the conventional treatments we are giving to supposedly make us better than instead make us worse!
Please explain how you arrived at the conclusion that increased overall life expectancy is due solely to improvement in infant mortality. Infant mortality rate is the number of deaths of infants less than 1 year old divided by the number of live births in a year.
You know, you have to get older to develop most "chronic" illnesses. If you die of measles pneumonia at the age of five, you will not get Alzheimer's disease.
The only thing that is better about today is ACUTE care and more precise surgeries.
Tell that to the people who are not having coronary artery bypass surgery because they take cholesterol lowering medication.
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Also, it isn't as if Thimerosol was the only offensive ingredient in vaccinations. The polio vaccine given to babies in the 60's contained a cancer virus which might help explain why the cancer rate is closer to 1 in 2 today rather than one in 2000 as it was in the 1920's according to the British Medical Journal. Formaldehyde is a common ingredient in vaccines and there are many many others
There have been no cancers associated with the polio vaccine. They never materialized.
And where do you come up with a "cancer rate" of "1 in 2"? Again, most cancers occur in older people. If you do not live long enough, you do not get cancer.
Which may provide some basis for why Medical treatment kills more people each year ... 750,000 ... more than cancer or heart disease, making medicine the leading cause of death in the United States.]
There are a million variables involved, but the biggest is GENETICS.
My kids had the same Medications YOUR kids had- but my kids did not develop Autism. My kids ate the same food yours ate- but mine did not develop Autism. My kids were around the same cleaners, and toxins, and chemicals- but did not develop Autism.
This is a complicated disease, but many of you are trying to dumb it down to Thimerosal and Vaccines. Now that is simplistic.
Wow, that drunk driving analogy just went right over your head, didn't it?
Okay, let's try again using some medical examples.
Your children are unique individuals physiologically. So are mine. So is every child. Not all will react the same way to an outside influence.
For example . . .
Some people will have an anaphylactic reaction to a bee sting, but many people will not.
Some people will have an adverse reaction to a prescription medication, but many people will not.
Some smokers will get lung cancer, but others will not, even though we know that cigarette smoke is a carcinogen - that has been well established.
I could go on and on, but I hope you are seeing more clearly now that you cannot simply state "my kids got vaccinated and they aren't autistic, therefore, the vaccine does not cause autism in anyone."
Some children may be vulnerable to the complex physiologic processes that are set into motion by vaccinations. Perhaps they have a genetic weakness that would never have been expressed were it not for an assault. Perhaps they were ill at the time of the vaccination. Perhaps there was something wrong with that batch of vaccine.
I have never said that this debate all comes down to Thimerosol. It may or may not. I tend to believe there is something more complicated going on, and that vaccines are absolutely a suspect.
Am I entirely opposed to vaccination? No. But the situation warrants more genuine caring and investigation rather than blustering contempt and arrogant assertions. Thousands of parents CANNOT BE WRONG in their observations. No more BS comments like "autism just happens to appear around the time of vaccinations." That is such nonsense. I am glad that Hannah Poling's parents persisted and that they won a settlement, but likely that is because her father is a neurologist and her mother is an RN/attorney. They had the education and the confidence to take on the pharmaceutical industry. Most people do not.
Doctors increasingly believe autism and related disorders are not one disease but a collection of similar symptoms caused by different things, stemming from a complex interaction of environmental and genetic factors, Hyman says.
A vaccine, or perhaps even the injection itself, might react a certain way in certain people. Or maybe a virus. Or some other innocuous injury that kids seem prone to.
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Thousands of parents CANNOT BE WRONG in their observations
I disagree with this statement. History has proven otherwise. However, I do think that parents who notice changes in their kids immediately after receiving injections needs to be acknowledged even if a like can't be found.
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