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Old 12-29-2009, 05:02 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Now, this is BEFORE obamacare and the proposed draconian cuts that are in that bill are implemented. What are they trying to do? Force even more doctors to reject Medicare patients?

We all know the cuts in Medicare reimbursement proposed by Reid and Pelosi are not going to fly - so add another $300 Billion to the cost...at least.

Cardiologists sue Sebelius over Medicare fee cuts - USATODAY.com

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Heart specialists on Monday filed suit against Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius in an effort to stave off steep Medicare fee cuts for routine office-based procedures such as nuclear stress tests and echocardiograms.

"What they've done is basically killed the private practice of cardiology," says Jack Lewin, CEO of the American College of Cardiology (ACC), which represents 90% of the roughly 40,000 heart specialists in the USA.
Maybe that's their intention all along.
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Old 12-29-2009, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Now, this is BEFORE obamacare and the proposed draconian cuts that are in that bill are implemented. What are they trying to do? Force even more doctors to reject Medicare patients?

We all know the cuts in Medicare reimbursement proposed by Reid and Pelosi are not going to fly - so add another $300 Billion to the cost...at least.

Cardiologists sue Sebelius over Medicare fee cuts - USATODAY.com



Maybe that's their intention all along.
Of course, that is their intention. They don't want to spend money on people who can't contribute anything to the collective, in this case the nation, I guess.
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Old 12-29-2009, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Now, this is BEFORE obamacare and the proposed draconian cuts that are in that bill are implemented. What are they trying to do? Force even more doctors to reject Medicare patients?.
You guys put up a fierce fight to defend socialist medicare programs.

Where are all the conservatives and libertarians, or has everyone gone commie around here? I already knew about Roy, but you too Sanrene. Et tu Brutus.....
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Old 12-29-2009, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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You guys put up a fierce fight to defend socialist medicare programs.

Where are all the conservatives and libertarians, or has everyone gone commie around here? I already knew about Roy, but you too Sanrene. Et tu Brutus.....

Nice force people to pay into Medicare all their lives, try to take away what they have paid for, then mock them for being upset that what they were forced to buy was taken away from them.

Give young people an option of opting out out of Medicare then see what happens to your socialist nirvana.
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Old 12-29-2009, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Nice force people to pay into Medicare all their lives, try to take away what they have paid for, then mock them for being upset that what they were forced to buy was taken away from them.

Give young people an option of opting out out of Medicare then see what happens to your socialist nirvana.
It is not my socialist nirvana, it's theirs. I have paid into it all my life too, and I'd ne happy to see it go.
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Old 12-29-2009, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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It is not my socialist nirvana, it's theirs. I have paid into it all my life too, and I'd ne happy to see it go.
I don't see them saying that Medicare is good or bad. I do see them saying the only payer source for a group of people (which they were forced to buy) is mandating reimbursement that will limit recipients access to care. I am sure the left would be up in arms if private insurance did the same thing.
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Old 12-29-2009, 06:30 PM
 
Location: Florida
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I don't see them saying that Medicare is good or bad. I do see them saying the only payer source for a group of people (which they were forced to buy) is mandating reimbursement that will limit recipients access to care. I am sure the left would be up in arms if private insurance did the same thing.
Here is the scenario:

You pay into medicare for 40 years, and then 5 years into your retirement someone adds a 400 Billion dollar 'enhancement' to medicare, and then a few years later that 'enhancement' is removed.

OK, is it fair to say that the benefits which you paid for 'all your life' are being reduced? No, because you DID NOT pay into the 'enhancement' at all. If was added AFTER you had retired. No one paid for it, because it was added on borrowed money. See the problem? Medicare has been expanding like a bubble-gum bubble, and it keeps getting more and more expensive, but every time anyone suggests any cuts, the opposing party fights against it. If Republicans suggested the cuts, the "R" voters would be all for it, and the Dems would be all against it. It just happens to be the other way round now, so all the Republicans are told to oppose it. It's sad. I don't believe Sanrene is retired. She opposes it only because it is being proposed by the party she opposes.

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Old 12-29-2009, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Now, this is BEFORE obamacare and the proposed draconian cuts that are in that bill are implemented. What are they trying to do? Force even more doctors to reject Medicare patients?

We all know the cuts in Medicare reimbursement proposed by Reid and Pelosi are not going to fly - so add another $300 Billion to the cost...at least.

Cardiologists sue Sebelius over Medicare fee cuts - USATODAY.com



Maybe that's their intention all along.
So, basically what this cardiologist is saying that were it not for Medicare there would be no cardiologists? So they are only in it for the Medicare reimbursements? What a racket.

Also neglected to mention that Medicare fees will be increased for primary care physicians and internists, in keeping with the goal to put more emphasis on primary care. This is a good thing.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n45183773/

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Old 12-29-2009, 07:06 PM
 
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Cardiologists accept medicare reimburesement which is already lower than private payer insurance because typically about 50% of their patients (older heart patients) are medicare members. There is a break even point at which the medicare payment falls below the cost of service. Should cardiologists actually pay to see medicare patients and work 60-90 hour weeks?
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Old 12-29-2009, 07:40 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Sounds like these doctors are already dependent on single payer system.

Wow! Who knew.....

So, what does this tell us?
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