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View Poll Results: Should the federal court trial on same-sex marriage be televised?
Yes 47 67.14%
No 19 27.14%
Not sure 4 5.71%
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Old 12-30-2009, 06:50 PM
 
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Gay marriage is not a civil right.
Depends on who you ask. According to some courts, it is.
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Old 12-30-2009, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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This.

Rights should not be based on popular opinion.

Besides, non of this effects those who oppose it so they should have no say in the matter.
They can't be bigots so they
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Old 12-30-2009, 07:09 PM
 
Location: San Antonio Texas
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Prop 8 was failing until the Catholic and LDS churches poured millions into the "Gathering Storm" propeganda campaign.

So yes, it was indeed religious institutions who encouraged people to vote yes.

Right on. That's EXACTLY what happened.
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Old 12-30-2009, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Again, Civil Rights are not open to the democratic process.
Homosexuality is not an issue of civil rights. Sorry.
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Old 12-30-2009, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Homosexual marriage is a legal absurdity under the common law. A contract for marriage is a legal joining of two family's property rights for the benefit of progeny - the "legitimate" child.

Homosexual couples do not produce offspring, hence there's no legal reason to "marry" for the benefit of progeny.

However, under national socialism, the benefits offered to married couples may make it attractive to homosexual couples.

Other administrative abuses - such as barring "partners" from visitor access in hospitals is a government created barrier, not intrinsic to the contract for marriage.

However, since most Americans were kept ignorant of law, especially the common law, I can see why folks would think that "marriage" was a right. Remember, if it was a "right" you wouldn't need government permission (marriage license).

Before national socialism, and the surrender of one's birthright, free Americans could enter into common law marriages without needing government permission. Nor need a lawyer to sever that common law marriage.

Unfortunately, the PTB will carefully steer the argument into convoluted legal maneuvers so as to hide the real problem... the loss of status at law.

Pursuant to the Declaration of Independence, governments are instituted to :
a) secure rights and
b) govern those who consent.

Rights that preceded the creation of government are not "given" by government, but by one's Creator. That which is given by government is technically a privilege, though misnamed as a right (aka civil or political right or liberty).

So to get a marriage license means that the parties to the compact are NOT exercising inalienable rights, but government granted PRIVILEGES. And a license is for an act that would otherwise be a trespass, a tort or otherwise NOT ALLOWED.

Are you so sure that a government "licensed" marriage is what you want?
What law would you be violating if you didn't get a license?
Whose property rights are you trespassing?
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Old 12-30-2009, 07:37 PM
 
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A contract for marriage is a legal joining of two family's property rights for the benefit of progeny - the "legitimate" child.
There's nothing in the marriage laws that says marriage is for the benefit of progeny.

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Homosexual couples do not produce offspring, hence there's no legal reason to "marry" for the benefit of progeny.
Only about half of opposite-sex couples have children, so if we're to go strictly by what you said, then about half of the marriage licenses granted to opposite-sex couples should be revoked.
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Old 12-30-2009, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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Only about half of opposite-sex couples have children, so if we're to go strictly by what you said, then about half of the marriage licenses granted to opposite-sex couples should be revoked.
My heterosexual husband and I don't have any "progeny". Guess we'll have to call it quits now?
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Old 12-30-2009, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Gay marriage is not a civil right.
MARRIAGE is a civil right - the Supreme court called it a "basic right of man" in the Loving vs Virginia case 40 years ago.

Last edited by MsMcQ LV; 12-30-2009 at 08:06 PM.. Reason: spelling error
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Old 12-30-2009, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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MARRIAGE is a civil right - the Supreme court called it a "basic right of man" in the Loving vs Virginia case 40 years ago.
Yes, [i]marriage[i], properly defined, is a civil right. Gay marriage fails this definition.
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Old 12-30-2009, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Yes, [i]marriage[i], properly defined, is a civil right. Gay marriage fails this definition.
In your opinion. In my opinion the proper definition of marriage should be between two adult persons, with no mention of the gender of the two persons. And I'm heterosexual, so there is nothing 'personal' in it for me, other than the happiness of a few friends who happen to be gay.
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