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View Poll Results: Do you oppose slavery (involuntary servitude)?
YES 28 96.55%
NO 1 3.45%
Voters: 29. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-05-2010, 06:58 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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Love these loaded polls.

You know, if you can't pose an intelligently worded poll that doesn't betray it's wingnut goal, you probably shouldn't be creating polls at all.
I find this to be one of the few times I agree with you. I'm a conservative, but it doesn't do any good to put up a loaded poll, whether it be left or right politically.
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Old 01-05-2010, 07:01 AM
 
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I don't see how this poll is loaded.

The poll asks a very simple question. "Do you oppose slavery?"

How is that loaded? Because some of you don't like (nor can you defend) the points he makes after the poll?

Do you feel "betrayed" that you will check the box "yes" you oppose slavery, and then KNOW that you can't defend that position against the points in the OP.

If you would stop deflecting about how you do oppose slavery and then defend your position while still supporting socialism... that would be the way to go.
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Old 01-05-2010, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Northern Virginia
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Ummmm taking from one to give to another that did not work for it and does not deserve it. Socialism.

UMMMM no...actually lowering the cost of doing business by bringing in cheaper labor...that's pretty much CAPITALISM.
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Old 01-05-2010, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Northern Virginia
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socialism is NOT evil, nor is communism, it's simply a different political and economic system than our own. Why assign a human trait to it? See this is what gets me, it's ignorance and fear of anything different...hmmmm.....what human trait is that?
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Old 01-05-2010, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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UMMMM no...actually lowering the cost of doing business by bringing in cheaper labor...that's pretty much CAPITALISM.
I would normally agree, but if the government made this hiring obligatory or bribed CEOs to do it (i.e. "incentives"), it's no longer capitalism but rather socialism.
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Old 01-05-2010, 07:11 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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socialism is NOT evil, nor is communism, it's simply a different political and economic system than our own. Why assign a human trait to it? See this is what gets me, it's ignorance and fear of anything different...hmmmm.....what human trait is that?
Socialism inevitably leads to communism, as Lenin suggested. It leads to human misery through price and wage controls, long lines for buying bread, black markets and the brightest minds emmigrating. The government almost always clamps down on these human consequences by sealing its borders and jailing or executing those operating in the black market. That is where the "evil" comes in.
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Old 01-05-2010, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Northern Virginia
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Um, actually, yes it is.

I am starting to become convinced that the people that advocate for socialism don't even know what it is.

When the government takes action which controls the means of production in the private sector in an effort to utilize those actions of the benefits of the collective... that is socialism.

Obama firing GM's CEO and then writing a recovery plan is the text book definition of socialism.

The "collective" now owning 56 percent of GMAC IS socialism.

This example IS socialism.

Ok but why did Obama do it? Because he wants to own GM? or do you think it could possibly be because he doesn't want to let the American auto industry die just yet, and put all those millions out of work. It never ceases to amaze me, that Obama is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. I guarantee that if he didn't do anything to try and save GM, you RWers would be all over the unemployment rate and the tragedy in Detriot. No question in my mind. Desparate times call for desparate measures. This does NOT mean that Obama would like to create a socialist nation, however difficult that is for you to understand given your obviously skewed and paranoid view of the world.
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Old 01-05-2010, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Northern Virginia
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Socialism inevitably leads to communism, as Lenin suggested. It leads to human misery through price and wage controls, long lines for buying bread, black markets and the brightest minds emmigrating. The government almost always clamps down on these human consequences by sealing its borders and jailing or executing those operating in the black market. That is where the "evil" comes in.
see that is actually Totalitarianism. Again a political and economic system that I am certainly not a fan of, but it's not the system that is evil, it's the people in charge of it.
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Old 01-05-2010, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Desparate times call for desparate measures.
A quote for the history books. Also useful for passing the Traitor Act here in America and the Enabling Act in 30's Germany.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfQiy0_6BIo
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Old 01-05-2010, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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see that is actually Totalitarianism. Again a political and economic system that I am certainly not a fan of, but it's not the system that is evil, it's the people in charge of it.
The system is nothing without its enablers. But, the only system that maximizes peoples' freedom is an extremely limited constitutional republic with a relatively weak federal core.
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