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It doesn't matter what if anything the birthers are provided. They will persist in their loony assertion that President Obama is not a US citizen entitle to be President. They could get certified video of the birth and doubt it.
The good thing is that the courts are populated with rational thinking individuals as evidenced by the fact that not a single birther challenge has or ever will go to trial. The President will once again be on the ballot in 2012. The birthers will gnash their teeth, scream, yell, vote for another incompetent Republican and hopefully go down in flames once again.
It won't put that stuff to rest. The "birthers" just keep changing their issues to fit the facts available. Prove he was born in Hawaii, they come up with "Indonesian" citizenship, dual citizenship with Britain/Kenya, and many other red herrings.
The ultimate fall back is that blacks (or 1/2 black in this case) cannot be president.
The Supreme Court ruled Wong Kim Ark a citizen, not a natural born citizen.
“[b]ased upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents"
This is probably the most ridiculous of all the fall backs the birthers have come up with. They forget that it doesn't matter what individual Founding Fathers debated back and forth before the constitution was written. What matters is what they collectively actually wrote into the constitution and they made no such notation that black people could never serve as president. For the sake of argument had they done that, future generations would have added an amendment to correct the prejudices of the times the Founding Fathers lived, or we would absolutely do so now if there was even an ounce of validity to this line of crazy thinking.
Sorry, but it wasn't that simple. Little Grandma Dunham wouldn't be able to do that at all. The person would have been required to have an attending physician to verify the birth and sign off on it (can be up to 1 year after birth). Without that doctor's signature, a Birth Certificate cannot be issued. The family would actually have to file a court case in order to get a Birth Certificate issued.
From Hawaii statute §338-6
"If neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended"
"unattended" means a doctor was not there, OK?
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Originally Posted by Arus
It can't happen that way because there is safeguards against that kind of action upon by a parent. Otherwise, there would have been abuse of the process. Especially if parents would want to take advantage of any tax incentives or programs afforded to new mothers.
That is my point.
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Originally Posted by Arus
There. Is. No. Long. Form. Birth. Certificate.
Hawaii has NEVER had a long form birth certificate.
They provide only two forms:
Certificate of Live Birth (which they stopped giving out in the early 90's)
Certification of Live Birth (which is given to EVERY single Hawaii Resident born in Hawaii since the 90's when one asks for a copy of their birth information).
the Certification of Live Birth derives its information from the Certificate of Live Birth.
None of that is germane to validating a "birth certificate".
All that is important is Place of birth. For Obama its Honolulu, Hawaii
OK, I say Long Form, you say Certificate of Live Birth. We mean the same thing.
Like these, the birth certificates of twins born in Hawaii the day after Obama.
That is from an article in the Honolulu Advertiser titled "Hawaii officials confirm Obama’s original birth certificate still exists" http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...907280345.html
Note the box that says "Signature of parent or other informant."
Seeing the long form birth certificate/Certificate of Live Birth would confirm if he was born a citizen at all.
Oddly enough, no one in political life has ever demanded to see George W.
Bush's birth certificate.
But when it comes to his successor, the birther conspiracy theories have
displayed stubborn staying power, with 20 percent of Americans -- and,
tellingly, 32 percent of Republicans -- mistakenly believing that Barack Obama
was not born in this country and, as a result, cannot legally serve as president.
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