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But the 14th Amendment doesn't say anything about the parents at all. It does not say (as you mistakenly paraphrase above) that their parents must be "subject to the jurisdiction thereof." It says that they must be "subject to the jurisdiction thereof."
As as the US Supreme Court has so clearly explained, the phrase is meant to exclude the children of foreign diplomats and occupying armies, and no other class of people.
Since illegal immigrants are neither foreign diplomats nor occupying armies, their children (if born here) are natural born American citizens.
I think the key phrase as far as if someone is born here is if their parents were "subject to the jurisdiction thereof". Since an illegal immigrant isn't subject to our laws (here illegally) their children shouldn't technically be citizens according to the 14th ammendment. However, since it is granted by assumption, this is a moot point.
An illegal as well as legal immigrant is subject to our laws when in our country. If not we couldn't try them for crimes. Those with diplomatic immunity are not subject to our laws, nor are their children who are not citizens.
"If the policy of the Government upon vital questions affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court . . . the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned their Government into the hands of that eminent tribunal." Lincoln
For all those quoting Wong and other cases regarding a natural born citizen.
The first President who is considered a natural born citizen after the Constitution was approved is Polk. He was born to US citizen parents. That is the standard.
There is no way Obama can be a natural born citizen if his father is an African. That makes Obama half African and half American (if he was born in Hawaii).
"If the policy of the Government upon vital questions affecting the whole people, is to be irrevocably fixed by decisions of the Supreme Court . . . the people will have ceased to be their own rulers, having to that extent practically resigned their Government into the hands of that eminent tribunal." Lincoln
For all those quoting Wong and other cases regarding a natural born citizen.
The first President who is considered a natural born citizen after the Constitution was approved is Polk. He was born to US citizen parents. That is the standard.
There is no way Obama can be a natural born citizen if his father is an African. That makes Obama half African and half American (if he was born in Hawaii).
Millions of people think this.
Millions of people are wrong about that, too.
All the requirement is for one to be a natural born citizen is to be born on US soil. Nothing more, nothing less.
All the requirement is for one to be a natural born citizen is to be born on US soil. Nothing more, nothing less.
Sad but true. So when the mexican mother who de-hydrates herself crossing the desert her child has a great chance of being brain damaged or a whole host of other things.
This is unfair to that child that will live a lifetime with a handi-cap and it is unfair for the rest of us to support that child through social programs.
That takes away from seniors and children born from two legal US citizens.
It hurts everyone else ...
They should have just spelled it out. Slaves and thier children are citizens. No natural born, ... once you can speak english and pass a test .... Bingo!! Your a citizen. After lawful entrance of course and after restitution is paid in full is the entry was not legal.
Sad but true. So when the mexican mother who de-hydrates herself crossing the desert her child has a great chance of being brain damaged or a whole host of other things.
This is unfair to that child that will live a lifetime with a handi-cap and it is unfair for the rest of us to support that child through social programs.
That takes away from seniors and children born from two legal US citizens.
It hurts everyone else ...
They should have just spelled it out. Slaves and thier children are citizens. No natural born, ... once you can speak english and pass a test .... Bingo!! Your a citizen. After lawful entrance of course and after restitution is paid in full is the entry was not legal.
What does any of that have to do with being a natural born citizen?
I think what they're saying is that the requirements to become a "natural born citizen" are too open.
The constitution is what it is. Too bad for some of these birthers, but they don't get to make up their own personal version of the constitution.
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