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Old 05-15-2010, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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No one is personally attacking you. We're just pointing out that the book page in reply #2360 that you posted here has an obvious photo shopped section. Your highlight explanation cannot explain away the fact that the column width of the photo shopped area is narrower than the text on the rest of the column above it. Your highlight explanation also cannot explain away the vertical shadow line along the left edge of the section that was pasted in place. I spent 10 years doing text and photo paste-ups for copy machines in the days before computers and I could tell you the technique used for making the vertical shadow disappear but I won't.

//www.city-data.com/forum/14185819-post2360.html
Nothing was altered..only highlighted..by the scanner/ computer guy..my cell phone cannot pick up the letters clearly..

The book is on my desk..it is opened to page 833:

NATIVE, NATIVE CITIZEN:.... (Those born in a country, of parents who are citizens)

1928 Edition..try to locate it..on the internet..maybe it has been scrubbed.

Nothing was altered.... only highlighted.

 
Old 05-15-2010, 08:26 PM
 
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Article 2 of our Constitution along with the 14th Amendment.
Wrong, neither one says that.

Try again.
 
Old 05-15-2010, 08:39 PM
 
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Wrong, neither one says that.

Try again.

you need to read carefully because the Constitution is quite clear on how one becomes a citizen (and citizen used in the constitution is to cover all the two types of citizens in the US).

I missed these sections so we add it to our list:
Article 1, Section 2
Article 1, Section 3
Article 1, Section 8
Article 2, Section 1
and in the 14th Amendment and several subsequent amendments.


Article 2 defines the eligibility of the POTUS and mentions natural born taken from the common law definition of one being born on the soil of their country (jus soli)

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the who can be "citizens of the United States at birth"

Amendment 14 is taken in context with all parts of the consitution, which was to help clarify who was a citizen.

So take all together:
Citizens = 2 types (natural/native born and naturalized)
 
Old 05-15-2010, 08:43 PM
 
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Threads like this need to be heavily monitored. And people posting inflammatory statements against the president due to a birther claim need to be monitored as well. I do not support letting the crazies have all access to free speech.
Well, that shows your lack of respect for the Constitution of the United States, doesn't it?

Which other amendments in the Bill of Rights do you object to?

Don't like freedom of religion?
You OK with unreasonable searches and seizures of your stuff with no warrant?
Or maybe you wouldn't mind being forced to be a witness against yourself at trial?

 
Old 05-15-2010, 08:49 PM
 
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Well, that shows your lack of respect for the Constitution of the United States, doesn't it?
which amendments affect privately run forums on privately run servers?
 
Old 05-15-2010, 09:15 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Arus View Post
you need to read carefully because the Constitution is quite clear on how one becomes a citizen (and citizen used in the constitution is to cover all the two types of citizens in the US).

I missed these sections so we add it to our list:
Referencing citizenship, here's your list.

Article 1, Section 2
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

Article 1, Section 3
No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.

Article 1, Section 8
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization

Article 2, Section 1
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

and in the 14th Amendment and several subsequent amendments.
14th Amendment
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

None of the other amendments mentions how citizenship is obtained.
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Originally Posted by Arus View Post
Article 2 defines the eligibility of the POTUS and mentions natural born taken from the common law definition of one being born on the soil of their country (jus soli)
Where does Article 2 mention natural born being taken from the common law definition of one being born on the soil of their country? Copy and paste it for me.
You can't.
It doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by Arus View Post
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the who can be "citizens of the United States at birth"
Right, citizens. Not "natural born citizens".

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Originally Posted by Arus View Post
Amendment 14 is taken in context with all parts of the consitution, which was to help clarify who was a citizen.

So take all together:
Citizens = 2 types (natural/native born and naturalized)
I'll try asking the question again,
Could you show me anywhere in law or statute where it says that the children of aliens born on American soil are "natural born citizens"?
 
Old 05-15-2010, 09:51 PM
 
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why are you asking for specific languge? these semantic games you pull are unnecessary as all Citizenship issues are dealt with in the Constitution. And since the constitution was based on English Common law, there is no need to use specific language to determine who is an isn't a citizen.

Amendment 14 clarifies it clearly; anyone born here or naturalized is a CITIZEN of the United States and nowhere does ones parents HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CITIZENSHIP STATUS OF THAT CHILD unless the parents are ambassadors from another country or prisoners of war and are on american soil.

The fact you can't wrap your head around this VERY simple concept shows that your willful ignorance on the subject; or that you fit all of the birther molds: you simply hate the fact that a black man is president.

End of story.
 
Old 05-16-2010, 12:02 AM
 
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You made the claim, now back it up.

THE PORTFOLIO - Google Books 1819
"Thus the common law of England is not the common law of the United States, generally speaking; and, in fact, as a confederated body, they have no common law, but the constitution and statutes of the union."

VAN NESS V. PACARD, 27 U. S. 137 :: Volume 27 :: 1829 :: Full Text :: US Supreme Court Cases from Justia & Oyez
"The common law of England is not to be taken in all respects to be that of America. Our ancestors brought with them its general principles and claimed it as their birthright, but they brought with them and adopted only that portion which was applicable to their situation."
 
Old 05-16-2010, 03:56 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Originally Posted by red red rose View Post
Well, that shows your lack of respect for the Constitution of the United States, doesn't it?

Which other amendments in the Bill of Rights do you object to?

Don't like freedom of religion?
You OK with unreasonable searches and seizures of your stuff with no warrant?
Or maybe you wouldn't mind being forced to be a witness against yourself at trial?

This website is run privately, you can be censored at will.
 
Old 05-16-2010, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Here is my first post on this thread. I thought this was odd.

"HONOLULU – It's now law in Hawaii that the state government can ignore repetitive requests for President Barack Obama's birth certificate.

Republican Gov. Linda Lingle signed into law Wednesday a bill allowing state government agencies not to respond to follow-up requests for information if they determine that the subsequent request is duplicative or substantially similar to a previous request.

The law is aimed at so-called "birthers," who claim Obama is ineligible to be president. They contend the Democratic president was born outside the United States, and therefore doesn't meet a constitutional requirement for being president."


New Hawaii law shuns Obama birth document requests - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100513/ap_on_re_us/us_obama_birth_certificate_2 - broken link)
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