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All of the originals have been scrubbed but there are saved copies of the originals before being scrubbed or removed. I really don't care if you believe it or not but to claim all Birthers are dishonest is as bad as saying all believers are nuts.
Birthers are a diverse group with many different motives and methods. Not all of them share any particular trait other than a near total inability to critically reason their way out of a paper bag.
OK, for arguments sake (and I do not believe it) let's say you are right...what about the obvious forged numbers on the second BC.
What forged numbers?
Please point them out. The numbers coincide with the order that was given at the hospital based on evidence from the Nordyke Twins certificates (which were [edit] three numbers off from Obama's).
Nordyke Twins: 10637 and 10638.
Obama : 10641
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I would think as important as a seal is that they would have wanted it to be seen.
If it was that important, then the people who had questions could have gone to Chicago to see Obama's certificate in person at his Campaign office.
FactCheck had questions. They went to Obama's campaign office and got a look at the certificate in person. They spoke to the office personnel who actually posted the scanned image to Obama's campaign website.
Please name a single birther who did that prior to the November elections.
Again, I dont have to prove it to you. YOU"RE the one making the claim that he was born at Queens,
And I provided links to my proof have you?
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based on the assumption of a news article author (which he later corrected and the correction made note that it was the writers fault)
No, he did not correct it, I imagine it was a editor who was also responsible for saying that the writer made a mistake but the writer never said that.
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and a librayr of congress article of which you didn't even provide a link to (why is that?)
I provided a link, are you hallucinating?
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Beyond his book stating that he was born in Kapiolani;
LINK? And what about those numbers on the second BC?
I am very familiar with the "scrubbed" story. I also actually read it and understand it.
Nowhere in it does anybody who is a position to actually know say Obama was born at Queens hospital. And if you actually followed up on the reporter's narrative in the story (something few Birthers would ever consider because it could be disappointing), you would find that it leads to two places: Obama's book, and his speech announcing his candidacy, neither of which name any hospital at all.
The worst part is that Birthers know this. Birther have been aware that the reporter was wrong and has since acknowledged he was wrong for over a year.
And yet Birthers continue to repeat the lie.
What about that, TG, do you consider particularly "honest?"
Please point them out. The numbers coincide with the order that was given at the hospital based on evidence from the Nordyke Twins certificates (which were [edit] three numbers off from Obama's).
Nordyke Twins: 10637 and 10638.
Obama : 10641
LINK? Maybe a picture to compare numbers format.
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If it was that important, then the people who had questions could have gone to Chicago to see Obama's certificate in person at his Campaign office.
FactCheck had questions. They went to Obama's campaign office and got a look at the certificate in person. They spoke to the office personnel who actually posted the scanned image to Obama's campaign website.
Again, were they document experts? Were they allowed to have an independent forensic document specialist check it out?
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Please name a single birther who did that prior to the November elections.
If it is the same one on the net what would be the need? Anyone can see the first two are not the same document and that the second BC has numbers in a different format from the rest of the BC.
Your the nut, you could not have read the link because Obama said it and I never claimed that Maya said Obama was born at Queens. So who is the dishonest.
Obama did not say it.
The reporter said he did, and then told us where Obama supposedly said it.
But when you go to those sources, you will find Obama never says anything about it all. The reporter was wrong.
But unlike Birthers, when notified of his error, the reporter corrected it.
you would find that it leads to two places: Obama's book, and his speech announcing his candidacy, neither of which name any hospital at all.
So you are saying that Arus is full of crap when he states that Obama said in his book that he was born at Kapiolani.
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The worst part is that Birthers know this. Birther have been aware that the reporter was wrong and has since acknowledged he was wrong for over a year.
They republish here the same mistaken genealogy prepared by an amateur back in 2008 and never corrected. The continuous republication of the same error on the internet doesn't suddenly turn it into the truth.
How would they know?
The situation remains... no one in a position to actually know, especially Obama and his sister, have ever claimed he was born anywhere other than Kapiolani.
The 1775 Amsterdam (Dumas) edition was in French. One of the three copies he sent to Franklin can still be found in the holdings of The Library Company of Philadelphia. I am uncertain as to the disposition of the other two.
On a side note... the first English edition of "Law of Nations" that included the phrase "natural born citizen" was the 1797 London Edition... 10 years too late to have influenced the Constitution. Every prior English edition translated "naturels ou indigenes" as "natives or indigenes."
On another side note, De Vattel was (in order of frequency) not even in the top twenty of authorities cited by the Founders and Framers. And he was never once quoted on issues of citizenship.
In contrast, Blackstone (from whom the phrase "natural born subject" directly derives) was number three on that list of authorities.
More like an error made by Obama. If you are interviewing anyone and taking notes or even recording the conversation, how do you make a mistake like that?
The article even pretends to have resulted from an interview with Obama.
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