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No, that's not what I'm saying. Obviously, she must have set foot on foreign soil if that's where she gave birth. (If you were born in say, France, your mother must have been there, too, right?)
Again - This only applies to FOREIGN births where the other parent is not American.
Exactly. So we're back to the birthers having to bring forth proof that Obama's mother set foot on foreign soil at or before his birth. So far there is only proof that she wasn't overseas---her high school and college records, her marriage in Hawaii and her son's birth documented by the state of Hawaii. So far all you've got is a tape of his step-grandmother, an elderly woman who was purposely mislead by a translator via a birther interviewer and who had gone on record afterward stating that she didn't say she saw Obama Jr's birth. She was talking about Obama Sr.
Exactly. So we're back to the birthers having to bring forth proof that Obama's mother set foot on foreign soil at or before his birth. So far there is only proof that she wasn't overseas---her high school and college records, her marriage in Hawaii and her son's birth documented by the state of Hawaii. So far all you've got is a tape of his step-grandmother, an elderly woman who was purposely mislead by a translator via a birther interviewer and who had gone on record afterward stating that she didn't say she saw Obama Jr's birth. She was talking about Obama Sr.
Who is "you"? I'm only pointing out citizenship requirements that existed during the time period when he was born and who is/is not a citizen at birth.
Who is "you"? I'm only pointing out citizenship requirements that existed during the time period when he was born and who is/is not a citizen at birth.
And you should also point out that such citizenship requirements are entirely irrelevant, as long as the State of Hawaii officially verifies that President Obama was born there.
Who is "you"? I'm only pointing out citizenship requirements that existed during the time period when he was born and who is/is not a citizen at birth.
I'm sorry if you were offended by the use of the word "you". I thought you were one of the birthers in this thread. You're not? The "you" was a generic term. I should have said: "So far all the birthers have...." Just to clarify, do you believe that Obama was born in Hawaii as the state has certified?
The assertion is ridiculous that any state would knowingly falsify birth records, which is what you are claiming. The state indicates on the birth certificate the place of birth, and if you were applying for one of these birth certificates, obviously you were not born in Honolulu. So the state would not certify that you were, because doing so would invalidate all the birth certificates of people actually born in Honolulu. The state of Hawaii is actually quite cognizant of the legal ramifications that would ensue if they falsified such information. Or are you claiming that the State is governed by idiots as well as conspirators?
The state wouldn't have to knowingly falsify anything. All the state would have to do is issue a birth certificate based on information provided by "any person having knowledge of the birth."
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Local agent to prepare birth certificate. (a) If neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as provided in section 338-5 is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local agent of the department of health shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.
(b) The department shall prescribe the time within which a supplementary report furnishing information omitted on the original certificate may be returned for the purpose of completing the certificate. Certificates of birth completed by a supplementary report shall not be considered as “delayed” or “altered.”
How would the State of Hawaii KNOW where someone is born?
Any non-parent could tell the state of Hawaii whatever they want to get a child a Hawaiian birth certificate. There is no process for or requirement of verification of the submitted information.
I'm sorry if you were offended by the use of the word "you". I thought you were one of the birthers in this thread. You're not? The "you" was a generic term. I should have said: "So far all the birthers have...." Just to clarify, do you believe that Obama was born in Hawaii as the state has certified?
I haven't seen any legitimate evidence so far that would challenge that.
I do think it's possible that Obama does not want to release the long form because it contains some information that he finds personally embarrassing.
The state wouldn't have to knowingly falsify anything. All the state would have to do is issue a birth certificate based on information provided by "any person having knowledge of the birth."
Any non-parent could claim whatever they wanted and get a Hawaiian birth certificate for any child.
And still, the state issuing a birth certificate to someone born outside the United States, but stating on the birth certificate that the child was born in Honolulu would be falsifying information. You can't get around it, either this was a normal birth certificate issued via normal channels, ie, a birth in Honolulu, or a special application was made where the state would not have shown the birth as being in Honolulu.
I haven't seen any legitimate evidence so far that would challenge that.
I do think it's possible that Obama does not want to release the long form because it contains some information that he finds personally embarrassing.
Circumcised, or circumscribed?
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