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That is true at least in Hawaii. They will issue a birth certificate with whatever information "any person having knowledge of the birth" tells them.
Incorrect.
Your argument would mean that every person who has a Hawaiian birth certificate could be challenged. The state does not issue birth certificates simply based on hearsay. "Any person having knowledge of the birth" isn't any person walking in off the street. They actually have to have real, verifiable knowledge.
And still, the state issuing a birth certificate to someone born outside the United States, but stating on the birth certificate that the child was born in Honolulu would be falsifying information. You can't get around it, either this was a normal birth certificate issued via normal channels, ie, a birth in Honolulu, or a special application was made where the state would not have shown the birth as being in Honolulu.
Not at all. The state simply issues the birth certificate with the information provided by "any person having knowledge of the birth," as required by Hawaiian law.
There is no legal requirement to verify the information provided by "any person having knowledge of the birth."
Your argument would mean that every person who has a Hawaiian birth certificate could be challenged. The state does not issue birth certificates simply based on hearsay. "Any person having knowledge of the birth" isn't any person walking in off the street. They actually have to have real, verifiable knowledge.
Where is the verification requirement?
And not every person who has a Hawaiian birth certificate could be challenged. Many people have Hawaiian birth certificates which list the hospital and doctor's signature.
Your argument would mean that every person who has a Hawaiian birth certificate could be challenged. The state does not issue birth certificates simply based on hearsay. "Any person having knowledge of the birth" isn't any person walking in off the street. They actually have to have real, verifiable knowledge.
Not at all. The state simply issues the birth certificate with the information provided by "any person having knowledge of the birth," as required by Hawaiian law.
There is no legal requirement to verify the information provided by "any person having knowledge of the birth."
Bullsh--. Do you really think the United States government would let a state circumvent all of its citizenship laws? That's the silliest argument ever. The person who certifies someone's birth isn't a McDonald's employee. No offense to any McDonald's employees. But vital statistics are a serious matter. The idea that any state is handing out legal, valid, notarized birth certificates is ridiculous. Not to mention, the notary has taken an oath regarding the information they are certifying as accurate.
And not every person who has a Hawaiian birth certificate could be challenged. Many people have Hawaiian birth certificates which list the hospital and doctor's signature.
So what? You are saying that there is no verification measures in place. "Any person in the know" could lie about the hospital, forge the doctor's signature.
If the state doesn't adequately maintain certain standards, all the birth certificates become questionable.
Bullsh--. Do you really think the United States government would let a state circumvent all of its citizenship laws? That's the silliest argument ever. The person who certifies someone's birth isn't a McDonald's employee. No offense to any McDonald's employees. But vital statistics are a serious matter. The idea that any state is handing out legal, valid, notarized birth certificates is ridiculous. Not to mention, the notary has taken an oath regarding the information they are certifying as accurate.
You can have all the temper tantrums you want. But look at the legal requirements, again:
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Local agent to prepare birth certificate. (a) If neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as provided in section 338-5 is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local agent of the department of health shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birthand prepare and file the certificate.
(b) The department shall prescribe the time within which a supplementary report furnishing information omitted on the original certificate may be returned for the purpose of completing the certificate. Certificates of birth completed by a supplementary report shall not be considered as “delayed” or “altered.”
The information on the birth certificate comes from "any person having knowledge of the birth." That is all that's legally required. Someone says so. That's it.
The information on the birth certificate comes from "any person having knowledge of the birth." That is all that's legally required. Someone says so. That's it.
again...... how does this differ from any other president ?
So what? You are saying that there is no verification measures in place. "Any person in the know" could lie about the hospital, forge the doctor's signature.
No. Hospitals usually file the birth certificates in that case, not "any person with knowledge of the birth." Furthermore, the hospital and doctor's signature could be researched and verified if necessary at any time.
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If the state doesn't adequately maintain certain standards, all the birth certificates become questionable.
The ones obtained via information provided by "any person who has knowledge of the birth," yes.
This is why it really is important for Obama to release a certified copy of his long form birth certificate with the hospital and doctor's signature on it. Didn't he say he was born at Kapi'olani?
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