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Based on what? A doctor's signature? Or whatever "any person having knowledge of the birth" has chosen to say? Both are legal ways of obtaining a Hawaiian birth certificate.
So anybody from Hawaii should be disqualified from running for POTUS?
Most people consider a birth certificate as a state or hospital document containing a statement by a hospital and physician, or midwife, with a footprint or other unique identifiers.
Part of that is true. Birth certificates, which certify facts of birth, are based on information collected from various sources including someone who witnessed the birth, most often a doctor. However, most information on the birth certificate usually comes form the mother, specifically the child’s name, the parents’ names and address and social security numbers if present. The attendant adds the date, time and place of birth and the fact that the child was born alive. Most modern certificates omit the hospital name and that of the doctor when they are printed for the public. None have a statement “by a hospital” as hospitals to not talk.
So anybody from Hawaii should be disqualified from running for POTUS?
Depends on the info on their long form birth certificate. If it was an unattended birth and the certificate was issued based on information provided by "any person having knowledge of the birth," further verification would be warranted.
Not at all. The state simply issues the birth certificate with the information provided by "any person having knowledge of the birth," as required by Hawaiian law.
There is no legal requirement to verify the information provided by "any person having knowledge of the birth."
But aren't these used primarily for home births? With any hospital birth, they take care of it.
How could one apply for one of these and name a hospital, when it could be checked out?
Based on what? A doctor's signature? Or whatever "any person having knowledge of the birth" has chosen to say? Both are legal ways of obtaining a Hawaiian birth certificate.
If the United States federal government is satisfied with the legitimacy of Hawaii's birth certificate issuing practices, how do you argue that they are wrong? Doesn't the interest the federal government has in making sure that Hawaii issues these certificates accurately and appropriately mean that the federal government would intercede if it came to light that "anyone could get a Hawaiian birth certificate" simply based on hearsay? And yet, the federal government has never interceded, never declared any birth certificates invalid. They have, instead, accepted Hawaii's birth certificates as legal, valid proofs of American citizenship, just as they would accept any other state's. So, not only does Hawaii certify President Obama's birth certificate and citizenship status, but so does the federal government. That's why you don't have a leg to stand on, in this argument. Because the federal government recognizes Hawaii's procedures as legitimate and lawful.
Depends on the info on their long form birth certificate. If it was an unattended birth and the certificate was issued based on information provided by "any person having knowledge of the birth," further verification would be warranted.
Maybe President Obama will release his long form BC at the end of his
second term for ya!
Most people consider a birth certificate as a state or hospital document containing a statement by a hospital and physician, or midwife, with a footprint or other unique identifiers.
Part of that is true. Birth certificates, which certify facts of birth, are based on information collected from various sources including someone who witnessed the birth, most often a doctor. However, most information on the birth certificate usually comes form the mother, specifically the child’s name, the parents’ names and address and social security numbers if present. The attendant adds the date, time and place of birth and the fact that the child was born alive. Most modern certificates omit the hospital name and that of the doctor when they are printed for the public. None have a statement “by a hospital” as hospitals to not talk.
The attendant (doctor, etc.) signs the certificate. That signature IS required when the birth certificate is originally filed for an attended birth. A copy of that filed document is available to those who are legally permitted to request such (usually the person named on the birth certificate, or a parent in the case of a minor). An abstract (short form, such as the one Obama has presented to date) is also available, and usually issued unless a copy of the filed form is specifically requested.
If people are worried about birth certificates, it seems to me that there are a lot more questions about John McCain's birth than President Obama's.
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