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The Hoofnagle brothers, a lawyer and a physiologist from the United States, who have done much to develop the concept of denialism, have defined it as the employment of rhetorical arguments to give the appearance of legitimate debate where there is none, an approach that has the ultimate goal of rejecting a proposition on which a scientific consensus exists.
My opinion about AGW is this. Soot started it, a feedback loop carried it forwards. CO2 is an also ran. I don't deny the input from CO2, but the Ocean has a stinking large thermal mass to it and that is what you have to warm up to get global warming going. Thousands of years of lag. I remember the first rather crude computer models.
That is the social group I am a part of. And it is stinking hard to cross that groups group think.
But...
I do think for myself. And if anyone was willing to have a nice civil discussion about what is going on with the climate and what should be done about it I'd be a very willing participant. And I do have a lot to offer a discussion on the matter.
My opinion about AGW is this. Soot started it, a feedback loop carried it forwards. CO2 is an also ran. I don't deny the input from CO2, but the Ocean has a stinking large thermal mass to it and that is what you have to warm up to get global warming going. Thousands of years of lag. I remember the first rather crude computer models.
That is the social group I am a part of. And it is stinking hard to cross that groups group think.
But...
I do think for myself. And if anyone was willing to have a nice civil discussion about what is going on with the climate and what should be done about it I'd be a very willing participant. And I do have a lot to offer a discussion on the matter.
Berkeley has some interesting research on the hive mind theory which has been in the news the last few years. Very interesting theory and how group think affects politics, science, the workplace, and even extended families. Check it out when you have time.
"Deniers" is a politically oriented term that alarmists constantly use in an effort to be manipulative, and to stifle discussion and the expression of dissenting views on this topic.
The term “deniers” is what people who have denied the holocaust are commonly referred to – as in “holocaust deniers”. By using this term, the AGW alarmists are collectively trying to associate people who have doubts and concerns about this alarmist movement with Adolph Hitler and his murderous campaign against the Jews.
So these are the tactics that the left has devolved to here.
"Deniers" is a politically oriented term that alarmists constantly use in an effort to be manipulative, and to stifle discussion and the expression of dissenting views on this topic.
The term “deniers” is what people who have denied the holocaust are commonly referred to – as in “holocaust deniers”. By using this term, the AGW alarmists are collectively trying to associate people who have doubts and concerns about this alarmist movement with Adolph Hitler and his murderous campaign against the Jews.
So these are the tactics that the left has devolved to here.
Holocaust denial and climate change denial are alike in that they involve people refusing to accept the consensus view, not in that they both involve Adolf Hitler.
Anyone with a degree of critical thought in their heads would understand this-- but of course, that doesn't apply to quite a few people who participate in these threads.
I don't even know why I'm responding to you, because you're possibly the biggest, most frustrated troll on these boards and your entire goal seems to be proving to yourself and others that Liberals are subhuman and evil.
There is an overwhelming consensus on the evidence among scientists yet there are also vocal commentators who reject this consensus, convincing many of the public, and often the media too, that the consensus is not based on ‘sound science’ or denying that there is a consensus by exhibiting individual dissenting voices as the ultimate authorities on the topic in question. Their goal is to convince that there are sufficient grounds to reject the case for taking action to tackle threats to health.
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The Hoofnagle brothers, a lawyer and a physiologist from the United States, who have done much to develop the concept of denialism, have defined it as the employment of rhetorical arguments to give the appearance of legitimate debate where there is none, an approach that has the ultimate goal of rejecting a proposition on which a scientific consensus exists.
My opinion about AGW is this. Soot started it, a feedback loop carried it forwards. CO2 is an also ran. I don't deny the input from CO2, but the Ocean has a stinking large thermal mass to it and that is what you have to warm up to get global warming going. Thousands of years of lag. I remember the first rather crude computer models.
Didn't we go over that already?
Soot was and continues to be a problem, and in some areas it does surpass CO2 as a climate change driver, but CO2 is still the primary driver globally. Feedback loops from water vapor would take days to disappear if the CO2 balance in the atmosphere returned to pre-industrial levels.
As for the ocean taking 'thousands of years' to release heat:
"Deniers" is a politically oriented term that alarmists constantly use in an effort to be manipulative, and to stifle discussion and the expression of dissenting views on this topic.
The term “deniers” is what people who have denied the holocaust are commonly referred to – as in “holocaust deniers”. By using this term, the AGW alarmists are collectively trying to associate people who have doubts and concerns about this alarmist movement with Adolph Hitler and his murderous campaign against the Jews.
So these are the tactics that the left has devolved to here.
Meanwhile "the pause" in warming where global surface temps have remained flat, has been ongoing for 17-19 years now, and people like him, the global warming alarmists, deny that fact.
To the CAGW alarmists, the warmists, the man-made global warming enthusiasts, etc... the definition of a "denier" is anyone who dares to disagree with their frantic, apocalyptic dooms-day predictions, that's all.
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