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Old 01-10-2010, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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no you don't! geesh, do they teach kids anything in school these days?

remember this started with universal, so there would be no exclusions. There obviously are plenty of exclusions that would make your statements wrong. Prime example: you caused an accident that hurt someone.
Still not my problem. It's my prerogative to ensure my well-being and anyone else could just die.
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Old 01-10-2010, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Wiesbaden, Germany
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If you have a right to own one, you have a right to carry it however you choose--if indeed you have the right to own it in the first place.

If you were meant to have a gun, you would have been born with one clenched in your tiny baby fist.
I think I need to discuss that logic with my chihuahua when I get home. My brain just can't go that far in reverse.

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Still not my problem. It's my prerogative to ensure my well-being and anyone else could just die.
I predict my one year old granddaughter will say that exact same thing in about two years
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Old 01-10-2010, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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The basic question itself is proof of the ignorance of the masses regarding rights and privileges.

The constitution says the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. Neither the "state" or "Federal" governments have the authority to violate the constitution, which is the Law of the land. Therefore, any gun law that infringes on that constitutional right is an illegal law that carries no weight, including a requirement to ask permission (permit).

You do not need permission from the state or the fed ... the constitution has already established the matter as a right ... not a privilege.

A right cannot be denied ... a privilege can. That is the issue. And every gun law that serves to restrict, is an act of infringement of that right.

An inch will become a mile, given enough time. So too does any restriction eventually become an outright ban. It's the nature of all government to impose it's will, and in every single instance throughout the history of guns, the first step to tyranny begins with disarming the population.

Stalin, Hitler, Mao, and the rest all believed in gun control.
And as I pointed out, they already deny felons, the mentally ill, and children those so-called rights.
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Old 01-10-2010, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Wiesbaden, Germany
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they don't deny the right, they put a freaking restriction on it. It's not UNIVERSAL! which has been my argument, against a brick wall obviously...
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Old 01-10-2010, 02:50 PM
 
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If you have a right to own one, you have a right to carry it however you choose--if indeed you have the right to own it in the first place.

I believe that has already been decided by the courts.

If you were meant to have a gun, you would have been born with one clenched in your tiny baby fist.
Even for you, that is one of the most assinine statements you have ever made.

We have the right to own one if we choose. There is nothing in the Constitution that says we must have one.
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Old 01-10-2010, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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they don't deny the right, they put a freaking restriction on it. It's not UNIVERSAL! which has been my argument, against a brick wall obviously...
But a RIGHT is universal. If it's not universal, it's not actually a right.
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Old 01-10-2010, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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I'm not confused at all. A "right" is universal. A "privilege" is not.

So is owning a gun a right, or a privilege to be earned?
Think about this: you have a six year old child. Would you hand him a loaded handgun and leave him alone? I know you won't, and was only trying to make a point. Lets say that I agree with you about "the right being universal." Still, that right can be passed to one's children, but one has to use one's common sense. For example, I can train the child to handle a firearm, but there is so much the child can learn since he or she is not very aware of the reasons why handling the firearm in a certain way is dangerous or not. In fact, he or she may not even understand what "dangerous" is. I can't just shoot myself on the leg or something to teach the child what not to do. Right? Nothing is just black and white relating to rights.

Those are some of the reasons why a child is not allowed to be armed without the supervision of an adult or guardian. It's a good idea for any person who wants to learn or own firearms to attend one of the local firearm safety training classes. In Alaska, children and adults are encouraged to attend these classes.

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Old 01-10-2010, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Think about this: you have a six year old child. Would you hand him a loaded handgun and leave him alone? I know you won't, and was only trying to make a point. Lets say that I agree with you about "the right being universal." Still, that right can be passed to one's children, but one has to use one's common sense. For example, I can train the child to handle a firearm, but there is so much the child can learn since he or she is not very aware of the reasons why handling the firearm in a certain way is dangerous or not. In fact, he or she may not even understand what "dangerous" is. I can't just shoot myself on the leg or something to teach the child what not to do. Right?
I don't claim that we have a "right" to own guns though. It's a privilege, not a right.
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Old 01-10-2010, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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I don't claim that we have a "right" to own guns though. It's a privilege, not a right.
But it is a Constitutional right. Even so, common sense is used when laws relating to this right are created. For example, prohibiting felons and others not to handle or own guns, to supervise minors handling guns, and so forth.
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Old 01-10-2010, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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If it was indeed a right, you couldn't pass a law against it. Because any law would infringe your right. It's a PRIVILEGE.
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