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Old 01-09-2010, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Today I got an e-mail that got me excited and I did some investigating, even went to Snopes.com. It seems that somebody beat me there because I got to read the very message that I got in that e-mail. The thing was written by a man named Connelly in his blog on Aug. 12, 2009. Snopes didn't attempt to say anything about Connelly's bona fides as a constitutional lawyer, which is what he retired from. Connelly doesn't think that a great amount of the House health care bill is constitutional and he talks about some of those parts.

Here is the article from Snopes. snopes.com: Michael Connelly on the Constitutionality of Health Care Reform

Senator Orrin Hatch wrote an opinion piece for WSJ this week about the Reid bill and it is linked at the end of the Snopes article if you haven't read that one either. He points to many parts of that one that are also unconstitutional and it is really scary thinking what these two bills will bring us. It appears to me that we will see the Congress taking many of its powers away from itself and giving them to the Executive branch. Scary to believe that this could happen to us in just one year. Read both links and let me know what you think.
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Old 01-09-2010, 11:14 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Did you read all the way to the bottom of the snopes page on Connelly? It said that whether or not parts of the health care bill are unconstitutional is opinion that won't be resolved until a case works its way up through the U.S. Supreme Court.

snopes.com: Michael Connelly on the Constitutionality of Health Care Reform
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Old 01-09-2010, 11:18 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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A third (and likely to grow) of our States Attorney Generals, are joining forces to file suit against the Federal Government over the recent "negotiations" to get that 60th Vote.

Then, if by some long shot, the Senate (or House) bill gets passed, litigation will prevent implementation for, at a minimum, and IMO, a decade or more.
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Old 01-10-2010, 02:51 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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As society evolves, we progress from savage to becoming increasingly civil. When societies were savage, people were enslaved and often could not enjoy the fruits of their labor. There was a time when people struggled for freedom and basic human rights. The constitution was written to help guarantee those rights. We evolved from a society that abused others to a society that allowed others freedom.
We should continue to progress. The next step in our progression as a society is to help one another realize basic human needs. Working together to guarantee everyone clean air, fresh water, nutritional foods, and proper medical care will advance us as a society.
We should continue to progress from abusing others, to allowing freedom, and finally, to helping one another.
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Old 01-10-2010, 03:56 AM
 
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A third (and likely to grow) of our States Attorney Generals...
C'mon, Mr. Lawyer/Judge...it's Attorneys General, not Attorney Generals.

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...are joining forces to file suit against the Federal Government over the recent "negotiations" to get that 60th Vote.
On what grounds? Such things have been going on since the Federalists caved and agreed to add a Bill of Rights in order to get the Constitution adopted.

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Then, if by some long shot, the Senate (or House) bill gets passed, litigation will prevent implementation for, at a minimum, and IMO, a decade or more.
LOL! You mean just like how all that litigation prevented implementation of the Patriot Act for a decade or more? Thanks for the laugh...
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Old 01-10-2010, 04:17 AM
 
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Read both links and let me know what you think.
The Fed is unconstitutional, income tax is unconstitutional, the draft is/was unconstitutional. People don't like something, they dream up some case to find it unconstitutional. The Supreme Court has only rarely been impressed by such arguments. The dream of halting Health Care Reform on constitutional grounds is a pipedream...
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Old 01-10-2010, 04:18 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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LOL! You mean just like how all that litigation prevented implementation of the Patriot Act for a decade or more? Thanks for the laugh...
Thank you...

Apparently it is alright to destroy the bill of rights in a whiplash reaction, but using our riches to help ourselves is somehow wrong.
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Old 01-10-2010, 05:04 AM
 
Location: Keonsha, Wisconsin
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Default My Email Inbox Is Jammed

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Today I got an e-mail that got me excited and I did some investigating, even went to Snopes.com. It seems that somebody beat me there because I got to read the very message that I got in that e-mail. The thing was written by a man named Connelly in his blog on Aug. 12, 2009. Snopes didn't attempt to say anything about Connelly's bona fides as a constitutional lawyer, which is what he retired from. Connelly doesn't think that a great amount of the House health care bill is constitutional and he talks about some of those parts.

Here is the article from Snopes. snopes.com: Michael Connelly on the Constitutionality of Health Care Reform

Senator Orrin Hatch wrote an opinion piece for WSJ this week about the Reid bill and it is linked at the end of the Snopes article if you haven't read that one either. He points to many parts of that one that are also unconstitutional and it is really scary thinking what these two bills will bring us. It appears to me that we will see the Congress taking many of its powers away from itself and giving them to the Executive branch. Scary to believe that this could happen to us in just one year. Read both links and let me know what you think.
Today, I got an email that said, EAT THE YELLOW SNOW, IT'S GOOD FOR YOU!
A, hey, should I or shouldn't I ?
ah well, I'll just go back to counting sheep.....1......2......3....4,here little sheep sheep.
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Old 01-10-2010, 05:15 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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This current crop of idiots in Congress and the Senate are blind, or worse.
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Old 01-10-2010, 05:20 AM
 
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As society evolves, we progress from savage to becoming increasingly civil. When societies were savage, people were enslaved and often could not enjoy the fruits of their labor. There was a time when people struggled for freedom and basic human rights. The constitution was written to help guarantee those rights. We evolved from a society that abused others to a society that allowed others freedom.
We should continue to progress. The next step in our progression as a society is to help one another realize basic human needs. Working together to guarantee everyone clean air, fresh water, nutritional foods, and proper medical care will advance us as a society.
We should continue to progress from abusing others, to allowing freedom, and finally, to helping one another.
no way, we're Americans we don't want to improve unless it means we get a tax cut and the upper 1% can profit off everyone else. What you're talking about is what socialist Europeans do.
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