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Alienation of title to property is based on lawful transactions, not predatory ones.
But your confusion is understandable, since we've all suffered from 3 generations of pervasive propaganda.
"All law is the protection of property rights, all else is policy, and policy requires consent."
Or in terms of the Declaration of Independence, job #1 = secure rights, job #2 = govern those who consent.
The Declaration of Independence was more than two centuries ago. Maybe it is time to overhaul it. After all people back then were not saints, either. They did what they did because of the situation back then, their views are no holy laws, but human rules defined at a specific time and under specific circumstances, which have changed a lot since then of course. Back then Americans were still almost Europeans, who had just recently stolen the continent from the Indians after coming to America for all sorts of reasons, so property must have had a different importance than today.
True Conservatives seek a limited government that seeks to protect and lead and not to provide. We seek responsible fiscal policy. We seek opportunity in terms of business. We seek to be able to practice ANY religion that we so choose without government and left wing oppression of said religion. We believe in charity before government handouts. We don't want authoritative figures as we don't want to be ruled. We think that large government is oppressive and seeks to make people SLAVES to the state, not individuals, and were certainly don't believe in one state. We are all for freedom of thought but just because you disagree with what you say doesn't give you the right to try and stifle what we have to say. And we also believe in freedom of speech but that there are consequences to that freedom of speech. We believe in personal responsibility as opposed to a nanny state, individualism rather than collectivism, voluntary unity as opposed to mandatory or forced participation, and altruism or teaching the right thing to do. We don't think it takes a village to raise a child, we think it take some responsible parents who will take the time to devote to their children. We believe in education and we believe proper education starts in the home.
Yup that is pretty much it. I will add that we are not against the right of anyone being against ONE issue does not make you against all of someone rights.
Liberals: high taxes, big government Conservatives: low taxes, small government
Liberals: idealism Conservatives: realism
Liberals: government solves problems Conservatives: individuals solve problems
Liberals: employment based on government directives/laws Conservatives: employment based on ability and best person for the job
Liberals: If it fails, throw money at it Conservatives: If it fails, it fails
Liberals: Play defense in foreign affairs Conservatives: Play offense in foreign affairs
Liberals: Social justice Conservatives: Nation of Laws
Liberals: We are the world. Conservatives: We are a sovereign nation: the United States of America
Liberals: Wealth through entitlements. Conservatives: Wealth through individual achievements
Liberals: Abortion is a woman's right to choose. Conservatives: Abortion is a woman's right to choose murder.
Liberals: Terrorists are criminals with rights involved in man caused disasters. Mirandize them, gather physical evidence and let them lawyer up. Conservatives: Terrorists are enemy combatants involved in acts of terrorism. Dunk 'em.
Liberals: It's for your own good, you poor stupid idiot. Conservatives: Get your nose out of my personal business, you elitist intellectual who can't tie your own shoelaces.
First, the conservative believes that there exists an enduring moral order. (http://www.kirkcenter.org/kirk/ten-principles.html#one - broken link)
Second, the conservative adheres to custom, convention, and continuity. (http://www.kirkcenter.org/kirk/ten-principles.html#two - broken link)
Third, conservatives believe in what may be called the principle of prescription. (http://www.kirkcenter.org/kirk/ten-principles.html#three - broken link)
Fourth, conservatives are guided by their principle of prudence. (http://www.kirkcenter.org/kirk/ten-principles.html#four - broken link)
Fifth, conservatives pay attention to the principle of variety. (http://www.kirkcenter.org/kirk/ten-principles.html#five - broken link)
Sixth, conservatives are chastened by their principle of imperfectability. (http://www.kirkcenter.org/kirk/ten-principles.html#six - broken link)
Seventh, conservatives are persuaded that freedom and property are closely linked. (http://www.kirkcenter.org/kirk/ten-principles.html#seven - broken link)
Eighth, conservatives uphold voluntary community, quite as they oppose involuntary collectivism. (http://www.kirkcenter.org/kirk/ten-principles.html#eight - broken link)
Ninth, the conservative perceives the need for prudent restraints upon power and upon human passions. (http://www.kirkcenter.org/kirk/ten-principles.html#nine - broken link)
Tenth, the thinking conservative understands that permanence and change must be recognized and reconciled in a vigorous society. (http://www.kirkcenter.org/kirk/ten-principles.html#ten - broken link)
This is one of the better descriptions I've read in a while. Thanks. These principles can be applied loosely, thus, modern conservatives can claim to adhere to them, but as I read through the list, it seemed to describe what we'd call moderate today. (I basically agree with all ten, which would support my claim that I'm more conservative than some of the extreme rightwingers I see here.)
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Liberals: Wealth through entitlements. Conservatives: Wealth through individual achievements
These are getting pretty ridiculous.
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Liberals: Abortion is a woman's right to choose. Conservatives: Abortion is a woman's right to choose murder.
"Playing offense in foreign affairs" is a conservative's right to choose murder.
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Liberals: Terrorists are criminals with rights involved in man caused disasters. Mirandize them, gather physical evidence and let them lawyer up. Conservatives: Terrorists are enemy combatants involved in acts of terrorism. Dunk 'em.
Liberals: It's for your own good, you poor stupid idiot. Conservatives: Get your nose out of my personal business, you elitist intellectual who can't tie your own shoelaces.
Too, too funny. Where's your angry smilie? Here, I'll post one for you.
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Liberals: Believe in equal opportunity.
Conservatives: Believe property gives someone the right to discriminate based on things other than ability.
People have this right even though it is wrong. If you bake a cupcake, then you have the right to give it to anyone.
You might be a racist and not give it to a black man. While I think this is a morally repugnant action, I will still defend your right to your own labor.
People have this right even though it is wrong. If you bake a cupcake, then you have the right to give it to anyone.
You might be a racist and not give it to a black man. While I think this is a morally repugnant action, I will still defend your right to your own labor.
I'm talking about commerce and hiring practices, not "giving." Yes, I have a right to give my labor to anyone I want. I don't have a right to discriminate based on race with regard to whom I sell my cupcakes, or who I hire to produce them.
This is one of the better descriptions I've read in a while. Thanks. These principles can be applied loosely, thus, modern conservatives can claim to adhere to them, but as I read through the list, it seemed to describe what we'd call moderate today. (I basically agree with all ten, which would support my claim that I'm more conservative than some of the extreme rightwingers I see here.)
That list is from the Kirk Center. I would refer you to The Conservative Mind - Russell Kirk. Conservatism is rooted in principle as opposed to collectivist philosophies which are rules based. Conservatism is dynamic, alive and adaptable which is in stark contrast to the democratic socialism, based in Marxism, which characterizes the Democratic platform of today. Small wonder why liberals prefer top down authoritarian regimes to the bottom up, organic generation of policy and solutions that conservatism encourages and promotes. The essential difference is conservatism trusts the people. Liberalism does not.
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