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Old 01-14-2010, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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I love Jefferson, but since reading a book about John Adams, I've really come to admire him. You really get a taste of what the FF went through to declare this nation. Heck, maybe I should run for POTUS! I know more than Sarah.
John Adams was in Britain at the time of the Convention as our ambassador to England and Holland and didn't attend.
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Emotionally, my response is Benjamin Franklin. He's quirky, and complicated, and witty, and just wonderful. But intellectually, I've always been drawn to Samuel Adams. He's so consistent throughout the entire struggle, and passionate. And he was such a hopeless businessman. So I'm torn.
Franklin was at the Convention but he slept a lot and was unable to attend all meetings from illness. He was 81 at the time and really just took up a seat. Samuel Adams wasn't selected by Massachusetts to be a representative to the Convention.
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Who's your favorite Founding Father?


As a Black person I have to say whoever owned the fewest slaves
Ok, you can pick my man, Hamilton, since he wasn't a farmer and few people from the north, (NY) owned many slaves.
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:29 PM
 
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Thomas Paine wasn't one of the founders in that he wasn't at the Convention.Thomas Jefferson was in France at the time as ambassador to France.
George Washington would have been dead meat without Paine.

"The only founder of our country to, not only to not profit from the revolution, but who gave all the money earned from the publication of Common Sense, the best selling book in 1776, to support the revolution and George Washington's Army."

Thomas Paine's Legacy

He had other gigs going on.

"Despite not speaking French, he was elected to the French National Convention in 1792."

Thomas Paine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Ceasar Rodney.
Did old Ceasar sign the document? I wondered because so many people have selected men who didn't take part in the writing of the document because they weren't there for a variety of reasons.
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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John Jay.

He has provided hours of entertainment by insisting that "natural-born citizen" be put into the Constitution.
Not so, Gary. John Jay wasn't at the Convention although and no decision was made by the Supreme Court as to what natural born entailed. Until the 14th Amendment was passed there was never any definition of how citizenship was attained. The Constitution does mention citizens of both the United States and the states but says nothing about natural born. You might find that the 14th amendment created citizenship according to where born which is know as jus soli and was put in there to cover ex-slaves who had been born in the US.

Nope, John Jay wasn't at the convention and therefor didn't sign it and he never created natural born status. The 14th Amendment did that.
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Want to add Jefferson Davis to my list after Jefferson.

1. Thomas Jefferson

2. Jefferson Davis
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:53 PM
 
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Want to add Jefferson Davis to my list after Jefferson.

1. Thomas Jefferson

2. Jefferson Davis
Old Jeff Davis may have been at a convention but it wasn't the one in 1787.
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Old 01-14-2010, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Southcentral Kansas
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George Washington would have been dead meat without Paine.

"The only founder of our country to, not only to not profit from the revolution, but who gave all the money earned from the publication of Common Sense, the best selling book in 1776, to support the revolution and George Washington's Army."

Thomas Paine's Legacy

He had other gigs going on.

"Despite not speaking French, he was elected to the French National Convention in 1792."

Thomas Paine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Yes, Paine did all that but he wasn't at the Constitutional Convention and I consider those 55 men to be our founders. Many of the founders weren't a part of the framing of the Constitution. Jefferson, both Adams, and many others just weren't there.
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Old 01-14-2010, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Did old Ceasar sign the document? I wondered because so many people have selected men who didn't take part in the writing of the document because they weren't there for a variety of reasons.
Caesar Rodney - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To break that deadlock, Rodney rode eighty miles through a thunderstorm on the night of July 1, 1776, dramatically arriving in Philadelphia "in his boots and spurs" on July 2, just as the voting was beginning. He voted with McKean and thereby allowed Delaware to join eleven other states in voting in favor of the resolution of independence.
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