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Old 01-22-2010, 11:32 AM
 
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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Yes indeed, that would be me. And those with something larger than a concord grape for a brain readily recognizes how plainly wrong you are.

Now lets get you up to speed.

This video is the the Speaker of the House, reading the Bill HR8791 Homeland Terrorism Preparedness Bill for a House vote.

Take special note of the fact that the Speaker says "classified" 18 times during the recital ... at the 14th "classified" he says "jesus", apparently that "classified" was particularly alarming or disturbing. And I wonder just how the house members can honestly vote for something that the cannot read, and half of the bill is "classified"? And take special note toward the end when he says " and a NEW BILL OF RIGHTS will be developed by "classified".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXfXuk6aWJc&feature=fvw

That you don't know about something, doesn't make it a nutty conspiracy ... you know very little about the constitution or the bill of rights, but the 2nd amendment is not a conspiracy theory, and neither are classified plans for (official) suspension of the constitution, marshall law, and yes .... FEMA Camps.

So here ya go ... Camp FEMA ... the camps that don't exist, even though the contracts to build them are documented and part and of the public record ... the legislation granting the government it's phony legal "color of law" right to detain and relocate American citizens into "FEMA Relocation Centers" already signed into law ... but all of this is just one big nutty conspiracy?

Look, if you want to remain ignorant, that's your choice, but don't tell me, or mislead others about how the world is, because all you can see is your lower colon, given where you have your head.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrqqbEuxmW0&NR=1

Now, guess who this is all for ... guess who the big threat is? ... here is a congressman that is a bit concerned:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se3dfhl5G3g


And here is the congressman that is a little upset that plans for the "Continuity of Government" won't even be shared with the committee on Homeland Security.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzF0W7-1CCc&NR=1

Here is what a FEMA Camp looks like ... even though they don't exist:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJBxd...eature=related

Now, Officer Jack McLamb, the most decorated police officer in Phoenix Arizona's history says that there are plans that have been communicated to him by sources within the law enforcement community that advanced plans are in place to round up American citizens and place them in FEMA camps to be executed ... there are already lists and designations, and this will occur upon declaration of marshall law.

The civil unrest they are expecting will be brought about by the total collapse of the dollar and economy.

Now you can return your head to it's favorite resting place, or you can wake up.

But you have no right to mislead others with your continuing efforts to discredit the facts.
man oh man .... all of this conspiracy theory paranoia must be EXHAUSTING.....

and could someone please explain what FEMA has to do with concentration camps?? i thought FEMA was the Federal Emergency Managment........

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Originally Posted by getmeoutofhere View Post
He has no idea what he is talking about. He has no idea what the Constitution is, how it works, or basically any grasp on reality at all. I'm tired of being called a liar by a mental incompetent.

He uses Youtube videos and presents them as absolute proof, and apparently the entire basis for his belief system is that the federal government is an illegal entity. He is an absolute right-wing nutjob fool, and a shining example of why I am ashamed to say I am from Texas.

ditto ditto ditto.......
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Old 01-22-2010, 11:34 AM
 
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From the mouth of an abortion advocate, folks.
I don't believe in God.

And if you are so against abortion, you were not happy about Browns victory, right?

He is abortion advocate too.
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Old 01-22-2010, 11:59 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Originally Posted by getmeoutofhere View Post
If you'll look back, I already mentioned that.

This had nothing to do with the exercise of a Sheriff's powers or not. It had to do with Congress trying to force the states to enforce federal law. They can't do that. A retarded monkey could have brought the suit and it wouldn't have made any difference.
No comment on the Nye County, NV sheriff?


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The Constitution is not the law. It is a framework for the law, and open to interpretation. Federal statutes do trump state statutes, unless it is a clear-cut case of violation of the 10th Amendment.
Article VI of the Constitution:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States"


So you are wrong.
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Old 01-22-2010, 12:03 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Originally Posted by HIF View Post
So he didn't want to issue the flyer below:

Boedeker’s flier issued under government coercion and the demand of the event center building lease holder states:

“At the direction of the Austin Police Department and the The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms anyone selling a firearm at this show location will be asked to comply with the following: 1. Any person selling a personal firearm must go through a licensed FFL Dealer in the show to transfer the firearm to the new owner. 2. Selling of Firearms in the parking lot will not be permitted. Thank you for your cooperation!â€

From the site referenced:

Become aware of ATF activity in your state and the complicity of local law enforcement. Only through awareness and political action can we save our Constitution and Second Amendment from the claws of the New World Order and its long-stated goal to disarm the public and impose a globalist dictatorship. They fear an armed and informed public. Make sure they remain afraid.

Why would anyone be opposed to issuing a notice stating that background checks are required by private sellers and that firearms can't be sold in the parking lot?
Because it's illegal. The feds had no business requiring it. We can't let any law enforcement agency get away with illegal orders of any sort. Understand that?

BTW: there's no reason someone should have to go to an FFL, pay about $30 on average, for a private sale. What's next, background checks before buying kitchen knives? The UK almost banned pointed knives...
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Old 01-22-2010, 12:09 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Originally Posted by getmeoutofhere View Post
Oh my God.

I understand the Constitution, obviously better than you do.

You apparently don't understand how broadly interpreted those federal powers are. Do you understand how broad Interstate Commerce is?

Also of note, the Constitution is not the law. It does not make the law, the government does. The Constitution merely provides a framework for laws to be made.
Interstate is not intrastate.

You've never read Article VI of the Constitution then, if you do not know the Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

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What are you talking about? Of course it's been upheld that violating federal law is a felony. Are you just trying to give your post the illusion of knowledge and competency?
Not every federal law is a felony if broken.

The actions of the ATF and Austin Police violated the Civil Rights Act. Under color of law they prevented legal private sales with an illegal order. They are felons and may be sued for millions now for their act. The Civil Rights Act of 1871 was specifically aimed at LEO's who act illegally.


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FEMA concentration camps? COINTELPRO?

Whatever tiny shred of credibility you might possibly have had just went out the window.
COINTELPRO is widely and well documented. Do you deny it happened? Liberals were amongst those most strongy condemning it back in the day.

REX 84 is also well documented. REX 84 included FEMA concentration camps, FEMA taking over the country, suspending the Constitution, etc. You may deny it was real but that does not change the facts.
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Old 01-22-2010, 12:14 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Originally Posted by getmeoutofhere View Post
This makes no sense.

Your Congressman didn't vote for it because of a personal belief.

The federal government can (and does) make laws all the time that override state laws in regards to firearms.



I'll say it again for the slow ones...the federal government cannot compel states to enforce federal law. That would be why this bill wouldn't work, not because a federal law overruled a state law.

The government can't pass a law requiring something like that. It can, however, pass a law in regards to licensing requirements that supersede state laws.
Article IV:

"Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof."

"The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States."

For the same reason driver's licenses, marriages, etc., are recognized, the states can be compelled to recognize the right to carry a gun.

This may soon be a moot point when the SCOTUS incorporates the Second Amendment under the 14th. THen no state may deny the right to keep and bear arms (hence, IL, NY, MA, NJ, MD, HI, CA, etc., laws will be thrown out).
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Old 01-22-2010, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Purgatory (A.K.A. Dallas, Texas)
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No comment on the Nye County, NV sheriff?




Article VI of the Constitution:

"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States"


So you are wrong.


The Constitution is not the law. If it were, we wouldn't have 10,000 pages of laws.

The Constitution sets limits on who gets to write laws for what, and draws general lines for what those laws may or may not accomplish.

It guarantees very broad and general rights, but is intentionally vague about the lines defining those rights.

That's where we come in, writing laws and defining those rights as the majority sees fit.
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Old 01-22-2010, 12:21 PM
 
Location: Purgatory (A.K.A. Dallas, Texas)
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Originally Posted by arctichomesteader View Post
Interstate is not intrastate.
Guns are manufactured in one state and shipped to another. How many people come to a Houston gun show from another state to sell? To buy?

I would ask if you see what I am getting at, but I know you don't.



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You've never read Article VI of the Constitution then, if you do not know the Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

The Constitution is not the law. If it were, we wouldn't have 10,000 pages of laws. The Constitution sets limits on who gets to write laws for what, and draws general lines for what those laws may or may not accomplish.

It guarantees very broad and general rights, but is intentionally vague about the lines defining those rights. That's where we come in, writing laws and defining those rights as the majority sees fit.




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Originally Posted by arctichomesteader View Post
Not every federal law is a felony if broken.

The actions of the ATF and Austin Police violated the Civil Rights Act. Under color of law they prevented legal private sales with an illegal order. They are felons and may be sued for millions now for their act. The Civil Rights Act of 1871 was specifically aimed at LEO's who act illegally.

No, they prevented nothing. They did not step and tell people they couldn't buy guns. All they did was convince the owner / operator to shut down the show.


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COINTELPRO is widely and well documented. Do you deny it happened? Liberals were amongst those most strongy condemning it back in the day.

REX 84 is also well documented. REX 84 included FEMA concentration camps, FEMA taking over the country, suspending the Constitution, etc. You may deny it was real but that does not change the facts.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the screaming right-wing insanity.
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Old 01-22-2010, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Purgatory (A.K.A. Dallas, Texas)
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Originally Posted by arctichomesteader View Post
Article IV:

"Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof."

"The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States."

For the same reason driver's licenses, marriages, etc., are recognized, the states can be compelled to recognize the right to carry a gun.

This may soon be a moot point when the SCOTUS incorporates the Second Amendment under the 14th. THen no state may deny the right to keep and bear arms (hence, IL, NY, MA, NJ, MD, HI, CA, etc., laws will be thrown out).

You really are rather slow.

I said that states cannot be compelled to enforce federal law.

In other words, yes, all states must act in accordance with the US Constitution (right to bear arms).

But Congress cannot make a federal law and then require states to enforce it. That's why, in the example you gave, it never would have passed or been upheld.
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Old 01-22-2010, 12:29 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Originally Posted by getmeoutofhere View Post
You really are rather slow.

I said that states cannot be compelled to enforce federal law.

In other words, yes, all states must act in accordance with the US Constitution (right to bear arms).

But Congress cannot make a federal law and then require states to enforce it. That's why, in the example you gave, it never would have passed or been upheld.
Same has already been done with driver's licenses.
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