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Old 01-22-2010, 07:26 PM
 
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WTH?

I thought this was ONE area we could all agree needed to be shored up??



Supreme Court eases restrictions on corporate campaign spending - CNN.com

As my more level headed conservative friends might say, "Christ A'Mighty!!"
Your level headed liberal friends, too.

The right wingers should be dancing in the streets! They love this sort of thing. (Well, their owners tell them they love it, so they love it, and their owners just won big)
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Old 01-22-2010, 07:28 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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I think not. Just as non-citizens can't contribute to a campaign, foreign corp. won't be able to either....unless you have some evidence that says they will be able to.
So, if multi-national corporations can contribute, would you be against the decision?
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Old 01-22-2010, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Ha..with subsidiaries almost every multi-national has a foothold in the US one way or another.
And if they don't they will find a way to influence.

The foreign drug makers made their way into Congress for the healthcare bill..no one stopped them. In fact the Congressmen that used their talking points papers didn't even know they used material created by non-US drug companies !
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Old 01-22-2010, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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It is an unknown at this stage:

The Center for Public Integrity | Latest from the Center - Will the Citizens United Ruling Let Hugo Chavez and King Abdullah Buy U.S. Elections?

I mean if the corporation lives here and generates profit here, why can't they contribute to their elected candidates?
Absolutely!

Many more corporations are foreign owned than we can imagine. This is a list of the % of corporations of different categories that are foreign owned.

According to the website Economy in Crisis, "Foreign ownership refers to ownership of assets of a particular industry by foreign controlled domestic U.S. Corporations (FDC) 50% or more owned by a foreign entity."[1]
By that definition, the percentage of foreign ownership as of 2002 by industrial sector was as follows:[2]
Sound recording industries - 97%
Commodity contracts dealing and brokerage - 79%
Motion picture and sound recording industries - 75%
Metal ore mining - 65%
Motion picture and video industries - 64%
Wineries and distilleries - 64%
Database, directory, and other publishers - 63%
Book publishers - 63%
Cement, concrete, lime, and gypsum product - 62%
Engine, turbine and power transmission equipment - 57%
Rubber product - 53%
Nonmetallic mineral product manufacturing - 53%
Plastics and rubber products manufacturing - 52%
Plastics product - 51%
Other insurance related activities - 51%
Boiler, tank, and shipping container - 50%
Glass and glass product - 48%
Coal mining - 48%
Sugar and confectionery product - 48%
Nonmetallic mineral mining and quarrying - 47%
Advertising and related services - 41%
Pharmaceutical and medicine - 40%
Clay, refractory, and other nonmetallic mineral products - 40%
Securities brokerage - 38%
Other general purpose machinery - 37%
Audio and video equipment mfg and reproducing magnetic and optical media -
36%
Support activities for mining - 36%
Soap, cleaning compound, and toilet preparation - 32%
Chemical manufacturing - 30%
Industrial machinery - 30%
Securities, commodity contracts, and other financial investments and
related activities - 30%
Other food - 29%
Motor vehicles and parts - 29%
Machinery manufacturing - 28%
Other electrical equipment and component - 28%
Securities and commodity exchanges and other financial investment
activities - 27%
Architectural, engineering, and related services - 26%
Credit card issuing and other consumer credit - 26%
Petroleum refineries (including integrated) - 25%
Navigational, measuring, electromedical, and control instruments - 25%
Petroleum and coal products manufacturing - 25%
Transportation equipment manufacturing - 25%
Commercial and service industry machinery - 25%
Basic chemical - 24%
Investment banking and securities dealing - 24%
Semiconductor and other electronic component - 23%
Paint, coating, and adhesive - 22%
Printing and related support activities - 21%
Chemical product and preparation - 20%
Iron, steel mills, and steel products - 20%
Agriculture, construction, and mining machinery - 20%
Publishing industries - 20%
Medical equipment and supplies - 20%

Foreign ownership of U.S. corporations - SourceWatch

BTW, these statistics are from 2002! I am confident the % of foreign owned companies in the US is much higher now.
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Old 01-22-2010, 07:36 PM
 
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Correct. A patent is issued to a person or people who have already signed away their rights to it to their employer (the corporation) before it's even typed up for submission.

Big corporations have you sign all your IP rights over to them the day you start employment.
Tell me about it! Same goes with working at National Institutes of Health.

Yes, the Corporations get you to "voluntarily" give up your brain to them. You get a salary, but they own your brain. Still, with all the brains they own, the Patent Office still regards the Corporation itself as being brainless.

Every time I approach a Corporation to sell one of my patents, they attack me and try to get me to confess that I had to have conceived the invention while working for a Corporation. Without a corporate sponsor, how could a person have a brain?

Failing that, they give me the NIH treatment (Not Invented Here, go away).

A non-corporated individual walking around with a patent is treated by Corporations as being a person infected with the plague and leprosy - something to be highly shunned.

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Old 01-22-2010, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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It's a win for Dems, Repubs and corruption, and a loss for 3rd parties and American voters.

You can call it free speech all you want, but the truth is that guy with the biggest wallet, gets the air-time and the guys with no money get to practise their free speech in the back alleys where no one can hear them.
It will always be that way.

We do have the internet, and places that host streaming video.

If Bob Dole was running for president again, it would not matter how much money they threw behind him for campaign ads, he would still lose.
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Old 01-22-2010, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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I disagree. I corporation can now buy ads for anyone. This is win for free speech
The free speech of a psychopath!!!

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Corporations are not only the most powerful institutions in the world, they are also psychopathic, a new Canadian documentary on globalization elegantly argues.

While the corporation has the rights and responsibilities of �a legal person�, its owners and shareholders are not liable for its actions. Moreover, the film explains, a corporation's directors are legally required to do what is best for the company, regardless of the harm created.

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The filmmakers show four examples of corporations at work -- including garment sweatshops in Honduras and Indonesia -- to demonstrate that this �legal person� is inherently amoral, callous and deceitful.

The corporation, the film points out, ignores any social and legal standards to get its way, and does not suffer from guilt while mimicking the human qualities of empathy, caring and altruism.

A person with those character traits would be categorized as a psychopath, based on diagnostic criteria from the World Health Organization (WHO), points out the film.
What kind of person would a corporation be? A clinical psychopath.
Corporations Are Psychopathic, New Documentary Argues
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Old 01-22-2010, 08:09 PM
 
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Tort reform is a BAD idea.
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Old 01-22-2010, 08:22 PM
 
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With all the profitable free speech of the media talking heads and media corporations its not 1950 or even 1990. Combine that with administration free speech and c-span giving congresss almost 24 hr speech;I don't see the problem really. We had 3 netwroks then we have too many to count;with all that free specch by groups and politicans;its will matter little giving others the same.
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Old 01-22-2010, 08:26 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Yeah for free speech! HOOORAY!
Confetti for everyone! Open the floodgates of free speech!

Anymore doublespeak you want to present us with?

guess in your eyes free speech only applies to the left and not anyone else?
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