MODERATES... at what point is it appropriate to declare open season on extremists? (enemy, Pelosi)
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Clearly you are confused. We are losing our rights because of the left who wants to control even our very thoughts The left fights for the right to force people to think like them, collective thought.
...and the right wants a dictatorship. To obey and serve. Period. No Rights. No thoughts. No life.
The problem I see in the OP's question is that in the great majority of cases, "extremists" probably do not see themselves as Extremists, but rather as Moderates. The Other Guys are the Extremists.
The problem I see in the OP's question is that in the great majority of cases, "extremists" probably do not see themselves as Extremists, but rather as Moderates. The Other Guys are the Extremists.
I still don't know what positions moderates take. What is a moderate?
I still don't know what positions moderates take. What is a moderate?
Moderates could take any position, they merely do so moderately as opposed to radically or extremely.
As the poster just before you pointed out, this is also very much dependent upon how people view themselves. As someone who is rather extreme in their view may feel they are moderate.
"I cannot well define moderate but I know one when I see one" - topper
"I cannot define pornography but I know it when I see it" - Supreme Court
Moderates could take any position, they merely do so moderately as opposed to radically or extremely.
As the poster just before you pointed out, this is also very much dependent upon how people view themselves. As someone who is rather extreme in their view may feel they are moderate.
You're mistaken. Conduct defines all considered extremists.
Extreme views, radical views, are not the extremists I'm talking about. Moderates aren't prone to extremist behavior, however, the day they commit themselves to that behavior to is the day any semblance of reasoned governance is lost.
G Gordon Liddy behaved as an extremist. He does not represent republicans. Timothy McViegh was an extremist. He does not represent conservatives. The behavior defines who is/ who is not, and if McViegh were a leftist, he would be equally guilty. Anyone claiming McViegh represents Conservatives are engaged in extremist behavior. The more subtle, passive aggressive form of extremist behavior is propaganda campaigning. Subverting the truth in service to agenda. Evidence tampering is another example. Junk science yet another. Whomever would willfully engage in these behaviors is the extremist I'm defining.
Our system is a representative democracy. Misrepresentation has become the rule and not the exception. It dominates the media, our very sources of information, our congress, our senate... every check and balance we've got. This cesspool of doublespeak is a tower of babel.
Moderates could take any position, they merely do so moderately as opposed to radically or extremely.
As the poster just before you pointed out, this is also very much dependent upon how people view themselves. As someone who is rather extreme in their view may feel they are moderate.
"I cannot well define moderate but I know one when I see one" - topper
"I cannot define pornography but I know it when I see it" - Supreme Court
Ok so what is the moderate view on say abortion, or the death penalty? How about waterboarding?
What is happening is America is maturing and becoming more European. You have never really had politics on the European left right split nd now your two main parties are morphing into social democrat ( Dems) and Conservative (Reps) on European model.
As America reaches the mid point of her third century she is becoming older and more European.
You're mistaken. Conduct defines all considered extremists.
Extreme views, radical views, are not the extremists I'm talking about. Moderates aren't prone to extremist behavior, however, the day they commit themselves to that behavior to is the day any semblance of reasoned governance is lost.
G Gordon Liddy behaved as an extremist. He does not represent republicans. Timothy McViegh was an extremist. He does not represent conservatives. The behavior defines who is/ who is not, and if McViegh were a leftist, he would be equally guilty. Anyone claiming McViegh represents Conservatives are engaged in extremist behavior. The more subtle, passive aggressive form of extremist behavior is propaganda campaigning. Subverting the truth in service to agenda. Evidence tampering is another example. Junk science yet another. Whomever would willfully engage in these behaviors is the extremist I'm defining.
Our system is a representative democracy. Misrepresentation has become the rule and not the exception. It dominates the media, our very sources of information, our congress, our senate... every check and balance we've got. This cesspool of doublespeak is a tower of babel.
I think you misunderstood my point due to my lack of articulating it better. When I said a moderate could take any political position I meant a person could be a moderate and be a Republican just as a person could be a moderate and a Democrat. Moderate being closest to the accepted median social more, as opposed to the examples you offered.
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Originally Posted by shorebaby
Ok so what is the moderate view on say abortion, or the death penalty? How about waterboarding?
For the sake of example, take waterboarding. I would consider an extremist view of those who would promote waterboarding as an accepted practice and regular manner of operating. A moderate view of this would be more along the lines of someone who opposed its use entirely or would only consider it in extreme circumstances where "the ticking time bomb" scenario would apply.
The reason I see it this way is because it has been generally accepted in our society that waterboarding is a form of torture, so to deviate from our laws or even the spirit of the law moves one closer to an extreme view. The further from normally accepted behavior and practices, the more extreme it becomes.
I think the dictionary definition does it justice
1. kept or keeping within reasonable or proper limits; not extreme, excessive, or intense: a moderate price.
2. of medium quantity, extent, or amount: a moderate income.
3. mediocre or fair: moderate talent.
4. calm or mild, as of the weather.
5. of or pertaining to moderates, as in politics or religion.
–noun
6. a person who is moderate in opinion or opposed to extreme views and actions, esp. in politics or religion.
7. (usually initial capital letter) a member of a political party advocating moderate reform.
–verb (used with object)
8. to reduce the excessiveness of; make less violent, severe, intense, or rigorous: to moderate the sharpness of one's words.
9. to preside over or at (a public forum, meeting, discussion, etc.).
–verb (used without object)
10. to become less violent, severe, intense, or rigorous.
11. to act as moderator; preside.
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