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Old 01-23-2010, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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the supreme court did the correct thing, they struck down the UNCOSTITUTIONALITY of the mccain-feingold law

simple as that



congress passes bills
the POTUS signs bills into law
the SCOTUS checks and balances those laws with the CONSTITUTION


this petition that is being posted EVERYWHERE on these boards is SPAM, and against the TOS
Good point! Wouldn't "SPAM" be considered free speech protected by the first amendment?

 
Old 01-23-2010, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Florida
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"A Justice can also be removed by Congressional impeachment and conviction."
Good luck with that.

The Democrats aren't going to forfeit Union support any faster than Republicans will surrender Corporate cash.
So who do you propose holds the impeachment hearings?
 
Old 01-23-2010, 03:05 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Good point! Wouldn't "SPAM" be considered free speech protected by the first amendment?

Not on a privately owned site.

Your confusing the two sectors.
 
Old 01-23-2010, 03:07 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Not on a privately owned site.

Your confusing the two sectors.
So corporations want free speech even though they refuse to extend this right to individuals?
 
Old 01-23-2010, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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"The Constitution provides that justices "shall hold their offices during good behavior" (unless appointed during a Senate recess). The term "good behavior" is well understood to mean Justices may serve for the remainder of their lives, although they can voluntarily resign or retire. A Justice can also be removed by Congressional impeachment and conviction."

I sure as hell say that allowing multi-national corporations which can be owned and controlled by non-citizens with unknown and possibly dubious intent is not only the opposite of good behavior but a serious threat to national security. And where has it been explicitly stated that corporations are American citizens. the answer, nowhere.
The court did not define what a corporation was, so your entire argument is moot.
 
Old 01-23-2010, 03:24 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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So corporations want free speech even though they refuse to extend this right to individuals?

Uhhh?

Now your confusing us.

If your talking about the corporations that own the media, which it sounds like that is who your representing in the statement, I agree.

No, the media Corporations do not extend rights to the individuals. They have their own agenda and hire & fire accordingly.
 
Old 01-23-2010, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Uhhh?

Now your confusing us.

If your talking about the corporations that own the media, which it sounds like that is who your representing in the statement, I agree.

No, the media Corporations do not extend rights to the individuals. They have their own agenda and hire & fire accordingly.
Any corporation that has the power to influence elections with $$$$ under the umbrella of free speech and yet has the power to limit free speech of individuals, is a threat to our freedom.
 
Old 01-23-2010, 03:28 PM
 
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The court did not define what a corporation was, so your entire argument is moot.
Now we're getting somewhere. A corporation is not a citizen of the United States nor is it deserving of the rights and privileges to granted to said citizens as outlined in our beloved Constitution. Thanks for the clarification.

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Good luck with that.
The Democrats aren't going to forfeit Union support any faster than Republicans will surrender Corporate cash.
So who do you propose holds the impeachment hearings?
If word gets out that any Dem or Repub is fighting against giving Wall Street more rights (de facto) over Main Street, in this climate, their elected career would be effectively over.

Main Street populist rage ain't nothing to sleep on. Especially with midterm elections coming up. The Big O's, Brownie's and other recent GOP wins; the rise of independent voters, nothing can be taken for granted.

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Old 01-23-2010, 03:43 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Any corporation that has the power to influence elections with $$$$ under the umbrella of free speech and yet has the power to limit free speech of individuals, is a threat to our freedom.

How would you propose to get the bias corporations out of the media, which have the most influence to push their agenda unchallenged.
 
Old 01-23-2010, 04:03 PM
 
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How would you propose to get the bias corporations out of the media, which have the most influence to push their agenda unchallenged.
One of the best ways is to use anti-trust laws to break up the concentration of media into smaller and smaller hands. Some info here.

I always wondered why so many movies were remade and why so many reality shows. I definitely feel the concentration of media into huge conglomerates that are run by marketing and sales departments looking only to make a quick buck will not produce the best creative output.
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