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Old 01-22-2010, 01:49 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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The progressives of the early 20th century were for big government, somewhat marxist in nature. They wanted government control over many matters never ebfore considered the role of government. Progressives, do not forget, created eugenics laws in our country that forcibly sterilized people deemed "undesirable." Woodrow Wilson, the leading Progressive, segregated the military, got us involved in foreign military entanglements that are the reason for our current middle east issues, etc. Progressives gave us the income tax and the federal reserve (private banker control of our currency). Progressives gave us prohibition.
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Old 01-22-2010, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Highland, CA (formerly Newark, NJ)
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Do a Google on Cloward & Piven.

Compare their ideas to what was happening then and what is happening now.
And that's about all Beck will cite. It's convenient he leaves out American icons and progressives like MLK, Cesar Chavez and Jacob Riis.
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Old 01-22-2010, 01:50 PM
 
Location: California
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It's the latest buzzword. I think it replaces "commie" in an attempt to frighten people.
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Old 01-22-2010, 01:55 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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And that's about all Beck will cite. It's convenient he leaves out American icons and progressives like MLK, Cesar Chavez and Jacob Riis.
He's also cited Woodrow Wilson among others. He's praised MLK's good work, but MLK wasn't a saint either.
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Old 01-22-2010, 01:59 PM
 
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A progressive is a person who sees society as something that we all work at togeather to make better for everyone. This is the oppisite of Capitolism where you make what you how you can no mater if it is bad for the person or community next door. Your bank account comes before the welfare of others. Progressive is the idea that we all pitch in to get things done, like during WW2 were people worked togeather to make it happen, from kids bringing in scrap metal to smelt down for tanks to women riviting planes togeather. It is the idea that we all need to pitch in to school children and that education is a right not a privlage for the rich, it is the idea that if someone is sick you help them not based on what their bank account has in it or if they are fortunate enough to have an insurance polocy. It is the idea that police protection is for all not for those who can afford their own private police force. It is the idea that money does not rule the day that we are all equal and have the same rights not based on how much money you have in your checking account. Progressives are people who care about others welfare not how many boats they can park in their yard.
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Old 01-22-2010, 02:01 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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A progressive is a person who sees society as something that we all work at togeather to make better for everyone. This is the oppisite of Capitolism where you make what you how you can no mater if it is bad for the person or community next door. Your bank account comes before the welfare of others. Progressive is the idea that we all pitch in to get things done, like during WW2 were people worked togeather to make it happen, from kids bringing in scrap metal to smelt down for tanks to women riviting planes togeather. It is the idea that we all need to pitch in to school children and that education is a right not a privlage for the rich, it is the idea that if someone is sick you help them not based on what their bank account has in it or if they are fortunate enough to have an insurance polocy. It is the idea that police protection is for all not for those who can afford their own private police force. It is the idea that money does not rule the day that we are all equal and have the same rights not based on how much money you have in your checking account. Progressives are people who care about others welfare not how many boats they can park in their yard.
So why did they segregate the military, give bankers control of our money, forcibly sterilize people, etc.?
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Old 01-22-2010, 02:02 PM
 
Location: between Ath,GR & Mia,FL...
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i was watching glenn beck yesterday, hes having some documentary today about progressives and how insane they are, the likes of hitler, che, fidel, etc.

now i thought the definition of a progressive is someone who wants change or to keep progressing, to progress.

now while people label progressives as dangerous, etc. weren't some of our greatest leaders progressives? example being martin luther king.

he sought to radically change a country with a radical idea at the time, which was equality for all.

so would beck think of someone like him as a progressive then?

is that what progressivisim is? i dont know, its confusing.


That's an easy one,
the progressives are American socialists...

The Progressive Caucus of the Dems has the exact same ideology as the Socialist International...
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Old 01-22-2010, 02:04 PM
 
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Progressives would want to commit YOU to accepting government as the solution... to your breakfast, lunch and dinner and home plumbing. They take the prospect of government as the dynamic force in your life and see the constitution as a dynamic document, changing to fit the needs... whatever those may be, including incorporation of foreign law into U.S. solutions.

Not necessarily either republican or democrat, changing themselves to prevent being detected or labeled. Kinda like the spouse with other ideas.
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Old 01-22-2010, 02:05 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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i was watching glenn beck yesterday, hes having some documentary today about progressives and how insane they are, the likes of hitler, che, fidel, etc.

now i thought the definition of a progressive is someone who wants change or to keep progressing, to progress.
No, it is not. That is what they want you to believe though.

Glenn Beck has covered the history of the progressive movement pretty thoroughly over the last year. It has been very educational. He has suggested several books (which he has read — one that was given to him by a university professor friend, and the title slips me. He said it was very boring ("boring as snot", were his words), but very informative, and he highly recommends it — I'm trying to Google for it right now, but I doubt I'll find it — I'm not finding it).

Progressives are a mixture of socialism, Marxism, and communism. They do not believe in the free-market system. They believe in "big government", and they believe the "elite" are better able to make decisions for the masses (who are too stupid).

That's putting it very simply, but it is the essential nature of the beast.

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now while people label progressives as dangerous, etc. weren't some of our greatest leaders progressives? example being martin luther king.
Martin Luther King was definitely not a progressive.

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he sought to radically change a country with a radical idea at the time, which was equality for all.

so would beck think of someone like him as a progressive then?
No. That is not what progressivism is. Obama is a progressive. That should give you a clue. So is Hillary Clinton, and Nancy Pelosi (also Harry Reid).

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is that what progressivisim is? i dont know, its confusing.

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Old 01-22-2010, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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Progressives in anything are forward-looking; the opposite of old-fashioned and backward.

Progressive nations include all of Scandinavia, Holland, Germany, well much of western Europe. When the US is a filthy has-been nation with crumbled infrastructure, 30-50% unemployment, many climate based catastrophies and ruined areas, 80% obesity, pathetic happiness rates... (all coming together as we speak); the progressive nations will be like a slightly more humble 1990s.

BTW, the progressive nations are all big government, high regard for science, low regard for religion, distrust of the rich, contempt for the provincial.

So what idiot would see progressive as a bad thing? Though I have heard some bad progressive rock n roll.
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