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Old 01-22-2010, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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A progressive is just a far Left liberal - the name change is akin to "global warming" now being referred to as "climate change".

Liberal has been a dirty word for a while.
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Old 01-22-2010, 02:31 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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I wouldn't ask what people don't know. They just regurgitate it without knowing or understanding it in the least.

Only in he US do people claim to be "experts" in something they can't even define, let alone know anything about.
Glenn Beck knows more about the Progressive Movement than most anyone (save the experts he has learned form, including some professors he is friends with).

He is well read on the movement, it's roots, what progressives are and what they believe. His show has been very informative on this topic, and he has recommended many books.
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Old 01-22-2010, 02:41 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Progressive is a term used for some certain people who organized and followed through with movements generally considered to better society (prohibition, women's suffrage, housing sanitation standards, etc). It's just the Beck simpletons here (and they know who they are) now think progressives are dangerous anarchists. In actuality they'd never heard the term up until a week ago and still don't accurately know what it is.
Well, one thing is certain — You, do not know what a progressive is, or what the Progressive era was.

Progressives are believers in "big government", like Barack Obama, who believe most people are too stupid to know what's best for them. That only scratches the surface, however.

Beck has been covering the Progressive Movement in America for about a year now. It has been very educational, and he has recommended many books on the subject.

Not only this, he has featured on his show many other experts on the movement. Beck knows what he is talking about.

I cannot say the same about you.
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Old 01-22-2010, 02:42 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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You must then understand why we are suffering the worst financial crisis in 70 years.
Good one!
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Old 01-22-2010, 02:55 PM
 
Location: PA
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Progressives generally believe in sharing the wealth that is made in the country to those who do not have it. They believe in order to better society to move economic profits from group to group via taxes, regulation and laws.
Any profits may not be inheritly bad but generally require the work of those "of lower income" of which the corporation or upper class individual would never obtain without them. They see anything that involves profit as greed and generally believe most people lied, cheated to get the money they gained. So to better society they believe in high "progressive" taxes on groups of individuals which may not be limited to the rich and move to the upper middle class to middle class to support the "needs" they believe will better society. In bringing down the incomes of others will over all increase the productive "needs" of the many.

So if you work hard they believe in stealing it from you to "CREATE" their version of FAIR.
Everyone works in many forms to gain money and income of which in turn they have to pay other for services and production. Everyone is paid for the job they do.
If you want a different one you must work to get a different one ETC.
Progressive ideas economically for some reason do not follow the same idealogy when it comes to social issues. If you want freedom for social issues I would expect economic liberty for all without stealing it from those who work sounds like you want to restrict money but wont restrict social choices.
Money is power and of which government can not enforce that power of the individual without the excessive taxes to support its force over "we the people"
Progressives are just as most every group is... interested in power over individuals and nothing more.
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Old 01-22-2010, 03:00 PM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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A progressive is a person who sees society as something that we all work at togeather to make better for everyone. This is the oppisite of Capitolism where you make what you how you can no mater if it is bad for the person or community next door. Your bank account comes before the welfare of others. Progressive is the idea that we all pitch in to get things done, like during WW2 were people worked togeather to make it happen, from kids bringing in scrap metal to smelt down for tanks to women riviting planes togeather. It is the idea that we all need to pitch in to school children and that education is a right not a privlage for the rich, it is the idea that if someone is sick you help them not based on what their bank account has in it or if they are fortunate enough to have an insurance polocy. It is the idea that police protection is for all not for those who can afford their own private police force. It is the idea that money does not rule the day that we are all equal and have the same rights not based on how much money you have in your checking account. Progressives are people who care about others welfare not how many boats they can park in their yard.
Boy, do you have a wrong idea of what capitalism is. And judging by your user name, you have no love of America.

Where did you learn this stuff? In the public school, no doubt, or from some liberal college professors.
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Old 01-22-2010, 03:03 PM
 
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i was watching glenn beck yesterday, hes having some documentary today about progressives and how insane they are, the likes of hitler, che, fidel, etc.

now i thought the definition of a progressive is someone who wants change or to keep progressing, to progress.

now while people label progressives as dangerous, etc. weren't some of our greatest leaders progressives? example being martin luther king.

he sought to radically change a country with a radical idea at the time, which was equality for all.

so would beck think of someone like him as a progressive then?

is that what progressivisim is? i dont know, its confusing.
I read arguing with idiots and basically a progressive is every gov. after grover cleveland after the early 1900s who refused to spend money to win political points. Which is a progressive one who spends money they don't have, other people's money, the tax payer's money and distributes it to special intrest groups.

Now MLK would likely fall into this group, but ever president since grover cleveland has been a progressive. MLK was a great man but he was not perfect. If MLK was advocating that people donate to improve others
lives he was not a progressive but if he advocated that one group be given the tax $$$ of another then yes he was a progressive.

I never really looked at progressive in the way as backward, we can't change the past, what is clear is that we need to stop progressive governments today.

Basically Beck justifies his argument against progrssivism using a speech from grover cleveland where by the farmers of west texas had lost the crop to some kind of act of nature.
In the speech Pres. Cleveland says that it would do greater damage to redistribute the wealth of the taxpayers to people in dire need of money. While he does feel for the farmers and would personally donate, it is not the governments job to redistribute the wealth of citizens to charitable causes or else every time there is a disaster the government would be forced to give tax payer money over to that group. The government who is a custodian of tax payer money should only use the money for the intended purposes of which it was collected supporting government (army, police, other national services etc.)

Once the gov't gives money away to one group of special intrest no matter how important their cause the government compromises their position and will enter a cycle of giving away money without end to lines of special interest group. In short that is what is wrong with progressivism, there is no end to it.
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Old 01-22-2010, 03:08 PM
 
Location: west central Georgia
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BTW, the progressive nations are all big government, high regard for science, low regard for religion, distrust of the rich, contempt for the provincial.
Who decides what is 'provincial'?
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Old 01-22-2010, 05:08 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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I'm coming to take your car, because I need it more than you.
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Old 01-22-2010, 05:30 PM
 
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A progressive is a person who sees society as something that we all work at togeather to make better for everyone. This is the oppisite of Capitolism where you make what you how you can no mater if it is bad for the person or community next door. Your bank account comes before the welfare of others. Progressive is the idea that we all pitch in to get things done, like during WW2 were people worked togeather to make it happen, from kids bringing in scrap metal to smelt down for tanks to women riviting planes togeather. It is the idea that we all need to pitch in to school children and that education is a right not a privlage for the rich, it is the idea that if someone is sick you help them not based on what their bank account has in it or if they are fortunate enough to have an insurance polocy. It is the idea that police protection is for all not for those who can afford their own private police force. It is the idea that money does not rule the day that we are all equal and have the same rights not based on how much money you have in your checking account. Progressives are people who care about others welfare not how many boats they can park in their yard.

That's about as good an explanation as you're going to get from a true progressive.

Now, who wants to join him?
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