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View Poll Results: The Confederate Flag is a symbol of:
Racism, slavery, and segregation 129 49.62%
Southern culture, history, and freedom 131 50.38%
Voters: 260. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-27-2010, 10:25 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Greatday View Post
Flying a flag - and killing a human being, are NOT even comparable. They are two totally seperate issues.

Flying a flag - any flag, is protected FREE SPEECH.

Murder is illegal.

You're right. I'd highly recommend you take your flag and march around Watts or Harlem with it, expressing your freedom of speech. Please.

 
Old 01-27-2010, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Originally Posted by Angus Podgorny View Post
Another amazingly silly statement. The states right that the Civil War was fought over was the right to buy, sell, rape, and murder black people. Period.

There was no need to fight over slavery because it was legal and protected under the US Constitution...why would an owner want to "murder" his property that makes no sense. Slaves were expensive.

Many people from the North owned Southern plantations. After the invention of the cotton gin, many from the North flocked to the South to get rich off the cotton trade.

More "black" people died during the Middle Passage than on any plantation in the South. The ships that carried them originated from ports in New England.

The North and the South are both to blame.
 
Old 01-27-2010, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Originally Posted by Angus Podgorny View Post
Whine, whine, whine. You should have done a better job of fighting. That way you could have written the history books so they all resembled Gone With the Wind. Not only that, you'd all still have your slaves!

Missed opportunity, I guess.

Regarding your comment "should have done a better job of fighting" How many years did it take Grant to capture Vicksburg?

There are numerous reports Yankee soldiers running and screaming for their lives after hearing the Rebel Yell. Yankee soldiers were terrified of General Thomas Jackson. The Union army suffered more battle deaths than the Confederates.

You should read a book.
 
Old 01-27-2010, 01:45 PM
 
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Originally Posted by TexasReb View Post
LOL That's always your ilks answer isn't it? Must be from Stormfront. What a sophomoric way to slip around the facts....

Wanna trade quotes?

How about these:

"What I would most desire would be the separation of the white and black races."
Spoken at Springfield, Illinois on July 17th, 1858; from ABRAHAM LINCOLN: COMPLETE WORKS, 1894, Vol. 1, page 273

"Why should the people of your race be colonized, and where? Why should they leave this country? This is, perhaps, the first question for proper consideration. You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffer very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffer from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each side. If this be admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated. It is better for both, therefore, to be separated."
Spoken at the White House to a group of black community leaders, August 14th, 1862, from COLLECTED WORKS OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN, Vol 5, page 371

"I will say, then, that I AM NOT NOR HAVE EVER BEEN in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the black and white races---that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with White people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the White and black races which will ever FORBID the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together, there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I, as much as any other man, am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the White race."
4th Lincoln-Douglas debate, September 18th, 1858; COLLECTED WORKS Vol. 3, pp. 145-146
EXCELLENT rebuttal!

Here's some more ....

In the Federal army, the black troops served in their own divisions and served under white officers. These troopers saw very little combat; they mostly served in servile roles, serving mostly as laborers and personal servants to the white officers.
The Confederate Army used Blacks both as Soldiers and laborers, there were those white officers in the Confederate Army that had personal servants, but this was not the norm. The Black Soldiers in the Confederate Army were paid the same rate as the White Soldier, they were paid more If they served as laborers. Plus if the Black Confederate soldiers found any Northern weapons or equipment, they could sell them to the Confederate Army for about twice what they were worth on the open market.



More here (http://www.federationofstates.org/flag.htm - broken link)
 
Old 01-27-2010, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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Originally Posted by Angus Podgorny View Post
You're right. I'd highly recommend you take your flag and march around Watts or Harlem with it, expressing your freedom of speech. Please.
Ignorant people think it represents slavery and racism though, so those people are likely to also think it represents slavery and racism.

Now, take it to a meeting of the NAACP, and it will be quite a different story.
 
Old 01-27-2010, 02:22 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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It's a flag with a unique design and a checkered past.

It represents pride to some people and pain to others.

I'm a Yankee so I don't understand the cache of it all.

But I do think that people attempt to brand themselves with symbols of power or intrigue to boost their own egos. As if wearing that mantle conveys some power to them also.
 
Old 01-27-2010, 02:24 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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EXCELLENT rebuttal!

Here's some more ....

In the Federal army, the black troops served in their own divisions and served under white officers. These troopers saw very little combat; they mostly served in servile roles, serving mostly as laborers and personal servants to the white officers.
The Confederate Army used Blacks both as Soldiers and laborers, there were those white officers in the Confederate Army that had personal servants, but this was not the norm. The Black Soldiers in the Confederate Army were paid the same rate as the White Soldier, they were paid more If they served as laborers. Plus if the Black Confederate soldiers found any Northern weapons or equipment, they could sell them to the Confederate Army for about twice what they were worth on the open market.



More here (http://www.federationofstates.org/flag.htm - broken link)
You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?

Buffalo Soldier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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During the American Civil War, the U.S. government formed regiments known as the United States Colored Troops, composed of black soldiers. After the war, Congress reorganized the Army and authorized the formation of two regiments of black cavalry with the designations 9th and 10th U.S. Cavalry, and four regiments of black infantry, designated the 38th, 39th, 40th and 41st Infantry Regiments (Colored).
http://www.archives.gov/education/le...cks-civil-war/

There were plenty of black soldiers who fought during the civil war on both sides Union and Confederate.
 
Old 01-27-2010, 02:33 PM
 
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You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?

Buffalo Soldier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Black Soldiers in the Civil War
As much as I despise the use of Wikipedia being used as "credible information", your link has good information.

However, you are arguing your case for "after the war". If you follow your own link and read the first sentence or two, you will find that the Buffalo Soldier was AFTER the war and there were different troops DURING the war.

During the war, the USCT (United States Colored Troops) was what they called the Black Troops. Using your trusted wikipedia, here is the link to support this information

USCT
United States Colored Troops - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am standing by my post:

In the Federal army
, the black troops served in their own divisions and served under white officers. These troopers saw very little combat; they mostly served in servile roles, serving mostly as laborers and personal servants to the white officers.

The Confederate Army used Blacks both as Soldiers and laborers, there were those white officers in the Confederate Army that had personal servants, but this was not the norm. The Black Soldiers in the Confederate Army were paid the same rate as the White Soldier, they were paid more If they served as laborers. Plus if the Black Confederate soldiers found any Northern weapons or equipment, they could sell them to the Confederate Army for about twice what they were worth on the open market.
 
Old 01-27-2010, 02:34 PM
 
Location: New Kensington (Parnassus) ,Pa
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Originally Posted by Angus Podgorny View Post
Another amazingly silly statement. The states right that the Civil War was fought over was the right to buy, sell, rape, and murder black people. Period.
I will not condone slavery, but in most cases slaves were treated humanely.
 
Old 01-27-2010, 02:35 PM
 
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Hey my fellow Southerners, don't worry about folks like "anus porno", if you'll notice the only time he/she can reply is to insult other members. If he/she had any true facts he/she would sport them on this thread. In addition to the snow its folks like him/her that make the north a cold nasty place. We should feel sorry for him/her for not having any real input.

Sorry Anus, we'll behave now.
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