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Old 01-28-2010, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma City
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Most of the people who have been "reeducated" admit that they still have homosexual desires. Ted Haggard comes to mind. They just have chose not to act upon them. Basically they have chosen to live a lie based upon what other people think of them or expect of them.



"To thine own self be true, and it must follow, as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man."
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Old 01-28-2010, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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you see all the time these people that were in normal marriages with kids and then all of a sudden they are leaving their spouse for another man or woman (homo).
Actually that's called finally coming out of the closet. Because of laws against homosexuality back in the 40s, 50s and 60s (and some even remaining into the new century) the only way for a homosexual man to live was to lie about his sexuality, marry a woman, have kids and sneak around for 'pleasure'. Eventually he (or she, in the case of a lesbian) becomes tired of living what is essentially a big lie. He's tired of lying to himself along with everyone else in his life.
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Old 01-28-2010, 12:45 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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I do believe that gay people can turn themselves straight again. It may be difficult, but it's not impossible.
What do you mean "again"? They were never straight to begin with! A person is either heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual. (Or, in some cases, asexual - not interested in sex of any kind.)
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Old 01-28-2010, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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I've considered it. It destroys my sense of worth as a human being when my family tells me they wish I would get aids, that God hates me and has a special place in hell for me, they call me a ****** every time they talk to me, and tell me I have no future and am bound for a life of misery and death. They tell me I can change if I just pray and if I try to show them science they will accuse me of working for Satan. My mom actually told me when she talks to me she feels like she is talking to Satan himself. Most gay people don't have it near as bad as I do but I am sure there are others out there and I can totally understand why gay teens in extremist families would want to kill themselves.
As a Christian, I find your mother's attitude to be despicable. I simply cannot imagine ever telling ANYONE something like that, no matter what they may have done. And to refuse to even examine scientific evidence that might refute what they believe? Sorry, but I figure their beliefs must not be too strong if they refuse to question them. I wish there was a smilie to depict a hug, because you deserve a big one.
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Old 01-28-2010, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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No, I accept the overwhelming science Ive read on sexual orientation...as you say, and much like sexual orientation, my choice..lol
I'll likely regret asking because I probably can guess where you saw most of this 'science', but have you got any links to this info?
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Old 01-28-2010, 01:24 PM
 
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I'll likely regret asking because I probably can guess where you saw most of this 'science', but have you got any links to this info?

We all have "links" for our perspectives, the internet is full of links..so whatever your guesses are are right..
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Old 01-28-2010, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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We all have "links" for our perspectives, the internet is full of links..so whatever your guesses are are right..
Yeah, I found that out when I saw the link you posted in reply to Jaymax. Sorry but I don't go to Christian sites for information on scientific matters any more than I would go to a scientific source for info on Christianity.
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Old 01-28-2010, 03:52 PM
 
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We all have "links" for our perspectives, the internet is full of links..so whatever your guesses are are right..
Good science is good science, and most of the time, good science on sexual orientation doesn't come from conservative religious organizations whose purpose is to denounce homosexuality.
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Old 01-28-2010, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Good science is good science, and most of the time, good science on sexual orientation doesn't come from conservative religious organizations whose purpose is to denounce homosexuality.
Natural selection is the process by which heritable traits that make it more likely for an organism to survive and successfully reproduce become more common in a population over successive generations.

Charles Darwin's theory of Natural Selection alone refutes this common fallacy of Homosexuality as in fact Biological.
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Old 01-28-2010, 04:36 PM
 
Location: London, U.K.
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Natural selection is the process by which heritable traits that make it more likely for an organism to survive and successfully reproduce become more common in a population over successive generations.

Charles Darwin's theory of Natural Selection alone refutes this common fallacy of Homosexuality as in fact Biological.
No it does not. homosexuality is most likely a polygenetic trait carried by 'straight' couples.
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