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Old 01-27-2010, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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I would like to see more of the story, but I don't doubt it will happen when people have the choice of health care ending in poverty or worsening symptoms (some to fatal symptoms). I feel sorry for her and sympathy for her family, but it's a choice that many are going to face without help for the costs.
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Old 01-27-2010, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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and a national system (single payer) wont lower that cost at all...it will just be taken care of by someone else...the taxpayer
And who do you think would be covering the cost of the unpaid medical bills?
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Old 01-27-2010, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Which was exactly what this propoganda piece wanted you to think. This story is one of the most poorly written illogical news pieces I have ever read. The other resident in the house just let somebody lay on the floor because she was refusing transport? Seriously?

But hey, a story like this allows people to use it as fodder to push their agenda.
Toews told officers he tried several times to pick her up but he could not do it.

It would appear that he did what he could to help her and she refused outside help. Obviously the article wasn't written to answer all the questions people are asking here.
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Old 01-27-2010, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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She must have Medicare...it would have covered it. They're seniors...sounds like neither one was thinking straight. He should have just dialed 911, let the police show up and they would have handled it. Rescue squad may have been able to help her without needing to take her to the hospital....they don't charge anything....only if they call a coach (ambulance) for transport.
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Old 01-27-2010, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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And who do you think would be covering the cost of the unpaid medical bills?
who say's it goes unpaid

ever heard of paying on time

even if you send $1/month they cant touch you, you are paying the bill



personal responsibility....why has our country forgot this
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Old 01-27-2010, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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In any case the woman died without proper medical treatment. RIP
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Old 01-27-2010, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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who say's it goes unpaid

ever heard of paying on time

even if you send $1/month they cant touch you, you are paying the bill



personal responsibility....why has our country forgot this
That is simple not true.

When my mother was transported unconscious to a hospital emergency room. Her insurance initially refused to pay because she had not called for pre-authorization. It took months to resolve the issue. During that time the hospital had turned the matter over to a collection agency.

Hospitals and other medical providers continually have to deal with unpaid bills for one reason or another. Recovering the costs of those unpaid services is built into their pricing and reimbursement rates from Medicare and Private insurance.
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Old 01-27-2010, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Tennessee
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So, let me get this straight. A 72 year old woman falls and a man claims she said she did not want an ambulance and he was too dumb to call one until she died ON THE FLOOR AFTER 4 DAYS and stopped making noise and her daughter was due an hour after she died. There has to be a depraved indifference charge for the jerk if they can't charge him with something even more serious. Maybe they should check to see if he (or the daughter) did anything to help her along with dying. Who gets the house?

You realize you only have the word of the jerk about what the woman said.
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Old 01-27-2010, 01:34 PM
 
Location: The D-M-V area
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That's just ignorance on the lodger's part. What kind of fool leaves a 72 year old woman face down on the floor for 4 days?

No it wasn't too expensive, that man was too stupid.

Ridiculous! He should be in jail right now!

It's a case of stupidity, not affordable healthcare!
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Old 06-11-2011, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Whiteville Tennessee
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We are in an age where senior citizens are forced to choose between paying a utility bill,buying food or buying needed medications each month. Why would this situation be a surprise to anyone? Why does it surprise anyone that an older person would shun the debt that would be incurred by the ambulance ride? When people of that generation have always shunned debt. Rather than assign blame, why dont we take this situation as an example of what WILL happen if Medicare is switched to a voucher system. Once your $15,000 voucher has been used up, you are on your own. Your monthly rent is $700. Your groceries are $200 Your medications are $300 and your utilities are $200. Thats $1400! If your Social Security check is $1400, what are you going to do? Its June. In January you fell and broke your hip. How long do you think that $15,000 voucher is going to last? It wont even last 1 more ambulance ride! I hope everyone who was so against the public option in Obamas healthcare proposal are ready for the onslaught of senior citizens who choose to die rather than run up debt. It's coming. No death panels needed!
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