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Old 01-28-2010, 11:21 AM
 
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It can also make people go and simply steal food and other things

What about honor and pride as motivators? I mean, at the end of the day, society may "threaten" an unmotivated person with hunger, but it can't really let the person starve to death.
Who discredits honor and pride as a motivator, but wouldnt those who care about honor and pride also be the same ones who wouldnt be out stealing?

We cant let people starve to death? Lots of people are staving to death, even in america with all of our "safety nets"

 
Old 01-28-2010, 11:30 AM
 
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With the rich doubling their wealth every five years and ripping off 40% of the economy while producing nothing, I find it difficult to worry about welfare. Perhaps if we could motivate those parasites to act like Americans we could get somewhere
You must have missed learning about this in school but

These people are indeed acting like americans.. Its those that arent out increasing their wealth while expecting others to give them things not acting like americans..
 
Old 01-28-2010, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he'll eat for a lifetime.

Teach a man to take fish from others and he will teach his children to do the same.
 
Old 01-28-2010, 11:35 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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What may work in Brazil may or may not work here. That being said, I feel strongly that many on welfare do get lazy or at best think so little of themselves they give up. When Reagan was governor of Ca one thing he did, he made all those on welfare that were able to work, do so. By this I mean things like dusting the parking meters as an example. Maybe that doesn't sound like much, but at least the recepiants were doing something for their checks.

By the way, I will add only one thing to your comments, I don't put too much into studies period especially those done by the World Bank.

Nita
Maybe the important thing is that welfare is conditional in the first place, regardless of what that might look like in individual cases. But I think the pressure has to be exerted in a humane, respectful rather than a bossy way. After all, in my view it is about helping the people, not about saving money.
 
Old 01-28-2010, 11:37 AM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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It's a culture of blame instead of responsibility. People would rather say that X is holding them down, preventing them from doing anything about their situation, that if only something was given they could reach the stars. Those who know that they are responsible for a majority of how their life progresses will work hard and end at the goals they set for themselves. Those who are motivated to move on out of the safety net will, but it's there when they need it after everything else is used to give them a hand up. Those who abuse it will never get out of it, it's just continual hand outs.

Give people hand ups, not hand outs, and you will see the change. A floor to stand on in case the worst happens, not some place to lounge about and take without worry.

You know i do agree with a lot of these points. This culture seems to have no problem blamning other's for their misfortunes in life, and they do it so easily. Yes there are those, who will take responsbile steps, to see that they pull themselves from being under the gutter, and will do what they have to, to pull themselves out. But i think it is very safe to also say, that there are quite a few who abuse the system, and the more hand out's given out, the more hand out's they will take, and suck you dry.
 
Old 01-28-2010, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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Two of my sisters had to go on welfare when their husbands left and they needed money to feed their kids. Both were on for less than 18 months. They didn't like receiving public assistance but it was the best choice while they were getting on their feet and figuring out the next step.

I've known other women in similar situations--they didn't stay on welfare because that wasn't the type of people they wanted to be. Giving them welfare didn't automatically kill their motivation, no.
 
Old 01-28-2010, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Obviously welfare can work, if it is designed and executed intelligently.

yes it can...IF....it is used and supported as it was origanally intended as a HELPING HAND

but in the USA of today, it is more used as a crutch entitlement



last night we were out, but still watched the state of the union...one of the ladies we were out with on social services...she has said many times, she never plans on working again,,justs goes to school in the taxpayer's dime, and with what the POTUS said yesterday, she will get even more schools dollars.

I have a friend who lived in North Carolina..49% of his property taxes goes to social services....not to the schools.... but to the high welfare population down there

welfare has been abused too much in this country
 
Old 01-28-2010, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Two of my sisters had to go on welfare when their husbands left and they needed money to feed their kids. Both were on for less than 18 months. They didn't like receiving public assistance but it was the best choice while they were getting on their feet and figuring out the next step.

I've known other women in similar situations--they didn't stay on welfare because that wasn't the type of people they wanted to be. Giving them welfare didn't automatically kill their motivation, no.
correct and they were good people, and used it as it was intented to be... a helping hand

but too many abuse it
 
Old 01-28-2010, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Sacramento, Ca
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I would think that many of them lack motivation before they get welfare. Those who are motivated, I would guess, don't stay on welfare as long.
 
Old 01-28-2010, 12:10 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Drug testing for all welfare recipients!

To pick up a welfare check, picking up trash along the roads, Cleaning Government buildings, or anything to actually earn it.

Giving someone a free ride, does nothing to make them change their habits of laziness.
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