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What a farce. This bill you are referring to was to increase the debt ceiling by $1.9 trillion. I would be embarrassed to be a republican if they didn't vote against that bill.
I would like to see some alternatives when voting NO..I would like a detailed explaination from both the Dem's and Repub's when they vote no or even when they vote YES on a bill. This partisan sniping between these IDIOTS (i will no longer call them politicians) is going to far.
It is a known fact that Both Party's always sneak Pork into these bills but then bytch about it later.
What a farce. This bill you are referring to was to increase the debt ceiling by $1.9 trillion. I would be embarrassed to be a republican if they didn't vote against that bill.
No, this wasn't a vote on the bill, this was a vote on a pay-as-you-go amendment.
Paygo is an amendment to the bill that increases the debt ceiling by $1.4T. The paygo terminology was added to legislation to increase the nation's debt limit.
Republicans offered their own, but it was defeated by senate democrats. This would have imposed even more stringent rules for spending.
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The Senate came close to imposing an even stricter fiscal limit (than paygo), failing by four votes to approve a bipartisan plan to put strict curbs on spending for the next five years. That proposal got 56 votes but needed 60 for passage under Senate rules. It was backed by 39 Republicans, 16 Democrats and one independent.
It is the senate democrats that are being fiscally irresponsible.
If the democrats/Obama dropped the health care plan idea entirely, the republikans would say NO.
Sadly, it's been proven over and over.
That is why the President made the speech he made the other night.
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If what you just stated is the mindset of the Republicans in Congress, it goes back to the fact that their as useless and no better than the democrats and the fact that your willing to excuse their inept ability to work for those who voted them into office rather than putting their fingers in their ear sticking out their tongue, sticking up their middle finger and holding on until November.
This generation and our children and their children are really in trouble and its Not only at the hands of those IDIOTS in Washington.
Did anyone notice what the vote was yesterday on the proposal for a pay as you go budgeting rule in the U.S. Senate?
It was 60-40 (http://http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=2&vote =00012 - broken link).
To save you the trouble of looking it up, I'll just tell you that it was all forty Republicans who voted against the proposition that spending increases should be paid for by reductions elsewhere in the budget.
Hmmm.
pay as you go is democrat code for raising taxes! How about live within your means?
Of course, notwithstanding all the pious outrage from the left of all people about fiscal discipline, what the Republicans actually voted against was static budget scoring, which any first-year econ student could tell you is a ten-foot-tall stack of BS.
Seems to me that these kinds of statements are simply people living in denial.
With the current war debt and the recession that we're in, it's simply not realistic for our government to "live within our means".
But, of course... the banks and the corporations that the Republican party represents have been well taken care of and are doing well -- as usual.
It's just the rest of us who are suffering.
Some of you might want to review the economics of the Reagan years and HOW he "fixed" the recession he dealt with.
Reagan borrowed a lot of money....
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The policies were derided by some as "Trickle-down economics,"[18] due to the significant cuts in the upper tax brackets. There was a massive increase in Cold War related defense spending that caused large budget deficits,[19] the U.S. trade deficit expansion,[19] and contributed to the Savings and Loan crisis,[20] In order to cover new federal budget deficits, the United States borrowed heavily both domestically and abroad, raising the national debt from $700 billion to $3 trillion,[21] and the United States moved from being the world's largest international creditor to the world's largest debtor nation.[22] Reagan described the new debt as the "greatest disappointment" of his presidency.[21]
Did anyone notice what the vote was yesterday on the proposal for a pay as you go budgeting rule in the U.S. Senate?
It was 60-40 (http://http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=2&vote =00012 - broken link).
To save you the trouble of looking it up, I'll just tell you that it was all forty Republicans who voted against the proposition that spending increases should be paid for by reductions elsewhere in the budget.
Hmmm.
I guess this proves that Republicans CANT block a bill if they wanted to right? More proof that Democrats just want to blame Republicans for fillibustering things they cant fillibuster if they wanted to..
btw, the pay as you go is a sham because it simply means someone can simply ask for it to be ignored during a vote on another bill.. It can be, and has been completely ignored in the past when used.
Makes good brownie points for those uneducated liberals who want to proclaim "fiscal responsibility" all of a sudden but there is no legal enforcement and more meaningless bs..
pay as you go is democrat code for raising taxes! How about live within your means?
Geezus Cripes!!! We have a $12+ Trillion dollar debt....
You think this can be paid off without raising taxes?
Can we just once be honest with ourselves here?
I know it's popular to label the Dems as the party of higher taxes, but thier problem hasn't been acknowledging the obvious need to do so. It's that nobody trusts them to use the increased revenues responsibly...
Meanwhile it seems to be the Republican contention that if we lower taxes and spend less we'll be okay.... Well let's be honest here. Perhaps with enough cuts the budget could be balanced this way (though I cannot remember the last Republican to do so), but we need to do a little more than just balance it unfortunately...
Bottom line: Our government is broken and just plain broke and is unwilling to acknowledge the full pain that is necessary to fix our nation's debt issues.
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Magical thinking...
