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No real surprise here. Remember this study doesn't show that all conservatives on average have a lower IQ than liberals, but conservatives that identify themselves as social conservatives AKA Christian Taliban tend to have a much lower IQ than liberals and conservatives that are socially liberal. Explains a lot about some of the post and posters on this board.
I think poorer people are more likely to be socially conservative for a variety of reasons. Poorer people also generally have lower IQs due to a variety of factors.
Also what some of the article seems to be saying is that the more conventional a person is the less likely they are to be intelligent. People who are less intelligent may choose to just "go along" or find that easier. Someone who writes treatises on the value of tradition, or studies tradition in detail, is not necessarily dumb. Also if they are defending a tradition that is not in the majority they might be quite smart. I would guess many of the most Orthodox Jews and Hindus in the US are quite intelligent.
That social liberalism tends to be dominant online or among young people doesn't necessarily make it a sign of intelligence. Lastly IQ/psychiatry people are almost overwhelmingly socially liberal so I'd tend to think they may not read the data entirely honestly.
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Originally Posted by summers73
It goes to show that social conservatives aren't really conservative. They ride on the coattails of libertarians with regards to fiscal policy and support leftist big-government agendas such as amendments to prohibit gay marriage. The fact they believe in their psychotic minds they're actually conservative is further evidence of their suppressed IQ scores.
You have this exactly backwards. It's libertarians who aren't really conservatives. They're just classical liberals adhering to some long dead forms of radicalism. Conservatism, properly understood, really is about tradition and prudence. Jefferson was a radical, of a moderate kind, not a conservative. The conservatives were people like John Jay and Edward Rutledge. Of a later general, but still a fairly early American conservative, is John Randolph of Roanoke.
Look at Albert Einstein, if you want to see what high IQ gets you.
The guy was a basket case. Lived like a slob, and was a pack rat, just to name a few, but he was "smart"
LOL I can't believed you used Albert Einstein as an example of how IQ useless, when he was one of the largest contributors to science in the world. He was a packrat, a slob? I'm think you've got your priorities mixed up.
No real surprise here. Remember this study doesn't show that all conservatives on average have a lower IQ than liberals, but conservatives that identify themselves as social conservatives AKA Christian Taliban tend to have a much lower IQ than liberals and conservatives that are socially liberal. Explains a lot about some of the post and posters on this board.
Seems you have once again started a thread without reading the material to which you reference.
The Conservative syndrome describes a person who attaches particular importance to the respect of tradition, humility, devoutness and moderation; as well as to obedience, self-discipline and politeness, social order, family, and national security; and has a sense of belonging to and a pride in a group with which he or she identifies. A Conservative person also subscribes to conventional religious beliefs and accepts the mystical, including paranormal, experiences.
The second caveat is that social conservatives do not always vote for conservative candidates. Most black Americans, for example, clearly exhibit “the Conservative syndrome” as Stankov defined it—70 percent voted to abolish gay marriage in California—but they routinely give about 90 percent of their votes to the Democratic Party.
Conservative blacks?
90% of thier votes go to Democrats?
I wonder how many conservative lesbians were included?
Would you like to know the real difference between liberals and conservatives?
Liberals have an irrational emotional need to prove themselves morally superior to others. No matter how incredibly stupid the cause, liberals will eagerly embrace it provided they can claim moral superiority.
LOL I can't believed you used Albert Einstein as an example of how IQ useless, when he was one of the largest contributors to science in the world. He was a packrat, a slob? I'm think you've got your priorities mixed up.
I kind of agree. There are some people with high IQs that do turn out to have problems. Einstein is not really a good example of that, but William James Sidis might be.
However there's some proportion of every group that ends up failures or troubled. As with average people it's usually the geniuses that had some clinical mental illness, or family problems, who end up screwed up as individuals. An average kid harassed by the press in youth might also end up rather unsuccessful or odd in later life. Ordinary or even dumb people get schizophrenia as easily as John Nash did. We notice oddness in really smart people because we want to notice it and because we notice really smart people more in everything they do. It's the same with celebrities. If your neighbors kid is an off/on drug addict who shaves her head that's sad, but it's not news the way it was with Britney Spears.
Still I think there are skills that may not be measured by IQ. Also I think this is an instance where correlation is shown more than causation. The subset of people who are socially conservative includes more of the "dumb" people in the US. I think if you looked at "Socially conservative who is Eastern Orthodox Christian" or "Socially conservative who is a religious convert" or "social conservative who is wealthy and urban" it might come out different.
Your whole spiel about various fruits is the most relevant point of this post. What does this have to do with anything in this thread?
The methodology of the comparison is flawed. If you compare fiscal conservatives to fiscal liberals, it would be more accurate than a segment of one group to the whole of another, hence the apples to peas instead of apples to vegetables example.
Certainly Cyber Queen. The Christian Taliban are Christian fundamentalist who feel the need to impose their religion, morals, and social values on everyone else. They believe the USA should be a christian nation, that the laws should be christian based, that there should be no separation between church and state, that religion and not science be taught in schools, that research should be banned because it offends them, that abortion be banned, that gays shouldn't be married, that drugs shouldn't be legalized, etc. Oddly they tend to be pro-war, pro-big government (in regards to police state and government spying), pro-death penalty, and believe in harsh punishments for crime which seems like the opposite of what Jesus would believe.
Isn't that what Beck, Hannity, Palin & a majority of the tea party movement believe in. Aren't they the same as the Constitution Party
Well a good many of the high IQ folks I know are just about helpless when it comes to everyday decision making. Toilet plugged up call a plumber no clue how to clear it.
Dead battery in their car? Lost
Lawn mower won't start? Lost
Flat tire? How do you work the jack? The lug nuts are too tight.
How do you prune the fruit tree?
Furnace filter? Wheres that at?
Kick a breaker? Better call an electrician.
Lost in the woods? Oh snap we are all gonna die.
Sorry but high IQ doesn't mean guarantee anything.
I understand that many so called geniuses are high functioning do it yourselfers. But then quite a few need Velcro fasteners on their shoes.
This thread needed this dose of reality. An awful lot of confusion here and a whole lot of attempts to turn common sense inside out.
A couple of you folks seem to have really silly ideas about what is "intelligent" and what is not. . . perhaps not surprisingly. Intelligence, whether it is linked to education or not, is, first of all PRACTICAL! Intelligence supports what works, right now, in a current situation, NOT what may have worked 100's of years ago. Intelligence is not afraid of change, is will int to have an open mind, is willing to investigate and to seek real solutions to real problems, rather than clinging to ideology. Many very intelligent people have made the choice to live a rural lifestyle, to hunt and fish and farm, many others find themselves more suited to urban or academic lifestyles, and when these various folks come together they do not "blame each other" for the nations problems, but rather seek to find solutions, they do not name call and pretend to know what they do not know. Unlike many on this forum!
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I'm think you've got your priorities mixed up.
Read the article!
