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02-01-2010, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by padcrasher
3 Links.
2 are right wing opinion pieces. ( Where the authors do the thinking for the reader)
1 of which are anecdotal story. 1 links to a poll that doesnt even ask why people are leaving the State, but makes the claim that they are.
http://www.siena.edu/uploadedFiles/H...e_%20final.pdf
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Funny considering you linked to an opinion piece from the Denver Post... yeah, its a news story by Michael Booth, but one mans news story is another mans opinion piece..
btw, I missed the part in the story you hold relevant where it talks about white or conservatives.. More bs racist crap you threw in for attention I guess.. |
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02-01-2010, 12:45 PM
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Location: Southcentral Kansas
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Originally Posted by stillkit
Did anybody here even bother to READ the link posted?
Good grief! Conservatives; Obama; federal spending! All have been touted as the "cause" of such drastic cutbacks when, in fact, it's a result of the VOTERS of Colorado Springs voting down a tax increase! What do white conservatives, the President of the United States or the federal budget have to to with that? Nothing, that's what!
Y'all will go to any lengths to spin a story like this to "prove" your biases, won't you?
Get a grip, folks. Ideologies and what happens, or doesn't happen, in Washington is NOT the root of all evil.
Frankly, I'm proud of the good citizens of Colorado Springs. They finally stood up and said, "You know what? We can't keep paying higher and higher taxes indefinitely to support more and more spending. There is an end point to all this and we say it's right now."
I hope they stick to their guns.
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From the looks of the next post posted by the OP it appears to me that even she may not have read anywhere all of that article. Oh well, you just have to put up with the things both sides have to say because there is no form of censorship here. Maybe pad will awaken sometime but I doubt it in discussions like this one. |
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02-01-2010, 12:46 PM
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Location: OB
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class warfare
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Originally Posted by padcrasher
Right wing lemmings too brainwashed to dare raise taxes on the wealthy or corporations. Instead they will do without proper road repairs and recreation.
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Did you miss the part were the Colorado Springs gov't spends on average a $89,000 per govt employee while its private sector counter-part only pays $24,000 per employee. How many years do state gov't employees have to work before receiving a 100% retirement. If Colo Spring's pension is like California's, SEIU's or UAW's - then we know it is huge, unsubstainable and a big mess.
A commentor to the posted articles nails it: There is an alternative that government at all levels is going to have to embrace at some point: cut public employee pay, pension and health benefits. That is what has happened in the private sector, aka the real world. |
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02-01-2010, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mossomo
Did you miss the part were the Colorado Springs gov't spends on average a $89,000 per govt employee while its private sector counter-part only pays $24,000 per employee. How many years do state gov't employees have to work before receiving a 100% retirement. If Colo Spring's pension is like California's, SEIU's or UAW's - then we know it is huge, unsubstainable and a big mess.
A commentor to the posted articles nails it: There is an alternative that government at all levels is going to have to embrace at some point: cut public employee pay, pension and health benefits. That is what has happened in the private sector, aka the real world.
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Ah the private sector counter part to a city govenment is a resort that employs maids and bell hops.....LOL
That's a good comparison.
Got it! |
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02-01-2010, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by padcrasher
3 Links.
1 is a right wing opinion piece. ( Where the authors do the thinking for the reader)
2 are anecdotal stories that claim taxes are the reason.
1 links to a poll that doesnt even ask why people are leaving the State, but makes the claim that they are.
http://www.siena.edu/uploadedFiles/H...e_%20final.pdf
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So are you saying they didn't move or if they did move taxes aren't reason? |
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02-01-2010, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
Coming soon to Oregon... the 'Wisconsin problem,' part deux. Raising taxes on high earners won't work. Never has.
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Excluding the 1950s-1960s of course. |
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02-01-2010, 01:00 PM
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padcrasher is STILL ignoring the Wisconsin migration data research.
The truth is unpalatable, huh? 
//www.city-data.com/forum/attac...1&d=1265054214
Source: Princeton University's Woodrow Wilson School of Public & International Affairs
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02-01-2010, 01:02 PM
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So are you saying they didn't move or if they did move taxes aren't reason?
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I'm sure they did. And I'm sure they make that claim. That's two instances where New Yorkers are moving to Florida. New Yorkers have been moving to Florida for 200 Years.
Where is your evidence of a mass migration out of New York because of taxes? |
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02-01-2010, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by pghquest
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What you linked to are two threads linking to right leaning propadanda sites neither of which cites evidence that the reason people are leaving NY is because of taxes.
Now of course you and other wingnuts make that claim. You hate government....so of course the reason anyone leaves the Northeast is because of taxes.
It couldnt be because of the weather.
It couldnt be because of the massive layoffs in the Financial Services Industry which drives New York State's economy.
It's only because New York taxes 30% higher than backwater Southern States.
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