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Old 02-01-2010, 11:23 AM
 
Location: On the Chesapeake
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Marylanders have had to pack their trash out of state parks for the last ten years. It just abolished the DNR Aviation Unit and sold the helicopters. Water is periodically cut at parks for conservation reasons. The regional Metro system is cutting services and raising fares, as is the local commuter bus system. The MD State Police have been understaffed for twenty years, as have most of the police, fire and rescue services in the state.
Except for fours years (2002-2006) Md has had liberal Democratic Governors, and a liberal Democratic Legislature the entire time.
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:24 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Exactly!

Ask a winger to back up his rhetoric with empircial data, facts, or evidence and they wilt like a pansy
You're ignoring the info I posted on Wisconsin's problem, aren't you?
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:26 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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The reason people move from State to State is primarily because of tax rates!

Please post evidence of this???
Read the info on Wisconsin. Get a clue.
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:29 AM
 
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Read the info on Wisconsin. Get a clue.
Your post was off topic. Beside the point. Correlation sometimes has nothing to do with causation as is the case with Wisconsin. Start your own thread and I'll knock that soft ball out of the park.
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Right where I want to be.
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Governments all over have been overspending during the high times and now they are having to pay the piper. Raising taxes to cover the expense is one option but not a long term fix. In the end communities, states and even the federal government need to realize they can't afford all of the services they have been providing and promising.
It's not a republican or democrat thing...I've lived in democrat controlled states and when the budget cuts need to be done the first thing threatened is shutting down the parks, lay offs for firemen and police. Why don't they address the frivolous spending first? Both parties want control and power and they will manipulate the people to get it.


We choose to live in a small town with few services offered. Neighborhoods take care of their own green spaces. There are community efforts to keep the area clean and maintained...people volunteer time on a Saturday to do the work. Mostly we don't throw trash in the first place. We rely on each other and our community more than government. Even our firefighters are volunteer, supported by a small county tax but mostly supported by the community it serves. Our taxes are very low and yet most of us think this level of service vs taxes is a good one. You won't find me outraged that people have to take more of a roll in maintaining their community...mowing lawns and taking care of their own trash...
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:35 AM
 
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Their ideology in action.........Colorado Springs

Colorado Springs cuts into services considered basic by many - The Denver Post

"More than a third of the streetlights in Colorado Springs will go dark Monday. The police helicopters are for sale on the Internet. The city is dumping firefighting jobs, a vice team, burglary investigators, beat cops — dozens of police and fire positions will go unfilled.

The parks department removed trash cans last week, replacing them with signs urging users to pack out their own litter.

Neighbors are encouraged to bring their own lawn mowers to local green spaces, because parks workers will mow them only once every two weeks. If that.

Water cutbacks mean most parks will be dead, brown turf by July; the flower and fertilizer budget is zero.

City recreation centers, indoor and outdoor pools, and a handful of museums will close for good March 31 unless they find private funding to stay open. Buses no longer run on evenings and weekends. The city won't pay for any street paving, relying instead on a regional authority that can meet only about 10 percent of the need."

Right wing lemmings too brainwashed to dare raise taxes on the wealthy or corporations. Instead they will do without proper road repairs and recreation.
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A city finally emerges which sees the importance of a balanced budget and cutting services in order to maintain conformance to the established budget. What does one of the token progressive liberals on this site say "right wing lemmings to barinwashed to dare raise taxes on the wealthy and corporations"


Lets evaluate which services the city cut, and see if those services are utilized ONLY by the right and corporations.

Street lights - I am pretty sure that there are street lights in ALL neighborhoods and commerical/industrial districts. All people, regardless of wealth or class enjoy the benefits of street lights. Maybe we should turn them all off in all areas EXCEPT those that actually pay taxes. Why should people who don't pay taxes enjoy the benefit of them?

Police cuts - Do we see more activity from the police in ghettos, or business parks/rich areas? So, you expect these people that hardly use the services to provide the cost to operate them so people in some other neighborhood can be safer, even though they can't afford to pay for the safety. Nor raise their families right, which is half the reason they have such dangerous conditions.

Parks - Yes yes, asking people to throw away their own garbage is simply a violation of our rights as citizens. Trash cans MUST be provided. How many corporate conference calls have you seen in the parks? Surely they should be the ones responsible to holding the park district together.

Grass cutting - Oh man, the city has asked for the labor help of the citizens to maintain common areas. How ABSURD. I can't believe they didn't raise taxes on XYZ corporate offices because I am a lazy POS

Water cutbacks - If they live in an area where grass isn't common not regular for the geographic locations, putting systems in to maintain it seems pretty silly to me. If they all want grass, move to an area where its common.

City Recreation - For most logical people, when the wallet gets a little empty, the first and easiest thing to sacrifice is discretionary spending. Makes sense.



This is the problem with tax and spend liberals. They think that the money is endless, that all programs and services offered by the government can be run off of simply taxing a very small percent of our population. The selfish and self centered attitude that those people with money somehow are responsible for paying for things that people can't afford is astounding. How pathetic. Truely pathetic. Most of those rich people and corporations are the ones responsible for the majority of charity money.

ENTITLEMENT ENTITLEMENT ENTITLEMENT

Put all the tax and spend progressive liberals together in one city, with no one else, and watch it turn into riots. Anybody want to bet. Unbelievable. Simply stupid.

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Old 02-01-2010, 11:36 AM
 
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Governments all over have been overspending during the high times and now they are having to pay the piper. Raising taxes to cover the expense is one option but not a long term fix. In the end communities, states and even the federal government need to realize they can't afford all of the services they have been providing and promising.
It's not a republican or democrat thing...I've lived in democrat controlled states and when the budget cuts need to be done the first thing threatened is shutting down the parks, lay offs for firemen and police. Why don't they address the frivolous spending first? Both parties want control and power and they will manipulate the people to get it.


We choose to live in a small town with few services offered. Neighborhoods take care of their own green spaces. There are community efforts to keep the area clean and maintained...people volunteer time on a Saturday to do the work. Mostly we don't throw trash in the first place. We rely on each other and our community more than government. Even our firefighters are volunteer, supported by a small county tax but mostly supported by the community it serves. Our taxes are very low and yet most of us think this level of service vs taxes is a good one. You won't find me outraged that people have to take more of a roll in maintaining their community...mowing lawns and taking care of their own trash...
It's ALWAYS ALL Governnment spending is bad with the wingers. ( except for our defense budget)

It could never be about prudent tax hikes where needed and cutting out waste where found and bloated defense budgets!

That's a silly liberal idea.......................That's why doing without parks, recreation, and proper road repairs is a good thing!
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:37 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Your post was off topic. Beside the point. Correlation sometimes has nothing to do with causation as is the case with Wisconsin. Start your own thread and I'll knock that soft ball out of the park.
The Wisconsin info is directly on point. It addresses what happens when taxes are raised on high wage earners and corporations. So, go ahead, knock that soft ball out of the park.

Don't forget to address PEW's research on Wisconsin's migration pattern.
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:42 AM
 
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The Wisconsin info is directly on point. It addresses what happens when taxes are raised on high wage earners and corporations. So, go ahead, knock that soft ball out of the park.

Don't forget to address PEW's research on Wisconsin's migration pattern.
LOL, he asked for data which showed that taxation was the reason. High taxable incomes leave, with proof, low taxable income comes in, state goes broke. All in facts and linked.

His response that it was off topic is hillarious.
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:45 AM
 
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Oregon solved it's budget deficit just this last week in part by raising taxes on individuals earning over $125K per year.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...ehgldZh0&pos=9
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