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Explain what? The military didn't raise their hands to either side. No one was shot. No one was beaten. No one was hurt. This was an arguement amongst neighbors. The military kept them apart. As to the Haradi kids, all kids do stupid things. And as you can see in one of the scenes, an older male picked up the kid and carried him off.
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Its proof of staging by Palestinians
Did you watch the entire video? This is raw video captured before editing.
Looking at the video alone, the soldiers were getting the dog off of her. None of them had their guns pointing at her. They didn't drag her off. You can see in the last seconds that one of the soldiers was assisting her to walk back. Maybe you need to watch the videos without sound.
There wasn't Hamas in this vid, there an innocent kid and a cameraman
This is a clip, where is the rest of the video the camerman shot. And as the video shows, no one was killed. And how come there is not one spot torn or ripped on his clothes. No blood either. And further more if he was having problems breathing, why is his shirt buttons all the to the top.
This is a clip, where is the rest of the video the camerman shot. And as the video shows, no one was killed. And how come there is not one spot torn or ripped on his clothes. No blood either. And further more if he was having problems breathing, why is his shirt buttons all the to the top.
Stop getting fooled buddy, since 1948 its clear that more Palestinians died , more injured, a lot of houses demolished, a lot more displaced, some of them get displaced in the west bank itself, their kidneys were sold, 1,400 died in 2 weeks, i could go on and on about this. Why ru trying to run away from the facts, just dont deny these things, Hamas the so called ''terrorists'' barley kill any Israeli, in 2 weeks only 13 died from Hamas's rockets, and the rockets that goes into israel barley kills/injures 1 person, most of them don't even reach the cities, on the other hand you have Israel bombing and killing as much as they want and you fall for their lies, today if you hear at least 10 people died in the west bank or Gaza you wouldnt' be shocked, because the media made the Palestinians look like terrorists, dont tell me this is not true because i compared CNN, BBC, Fox to the arabic ones, and i seen a huge diffrence, i saw how much the english channels lie. Today if one Israeli dies, you would make such a big deal about it, you need to wake up and realize that the world doesn't work the you think, if you lived in the middle east then you would know what i mean, but since you lived in the west, you will always be blinded by what happens unless you go to Gaza or West Bank and spend sometime with the locals then you will understand.
One of the last remaining Auschwitz survivors has launched a blistering attack on Israel over its occupation of Palestine as he began a lecture tour of Scotland.
Dr Hajo Meyer, 86, who survived 10 months in the Nazi death camp, spoke out as his 10-day tour of the UK and Ireland – taking in three Scottish venues – got under way. His comments sparked a furious reaction from hardline Jewish lobby groups, with Dr Meyer branded an “anti-Semite” and accused of abusing his position as a Holocaust survivor.
Seems even our own Congress has noted the collective punishment aspects of the siege of Gaza
Of course it is considered official "Antisemitism" by the US State Dept. to depict Israel as using methods employed during WWII, even if true.
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On January 21, 2010, 54 members of the U.S. House of Representatives sent President Obama a letter that labeled Israel's ongoing blockade of the occupied Gaza Strip "de facto collective punishment" and called on the United States to press Israel "for immediate relief for the citizens of Gaza."
To read the entire text of this "Dear Colleague" letter, written by Rep. Jim McDermott and Rep. Keith Ellison, and to see the full list of signatories, please click
Council for the National Interest » Text and signers of Ellison/McDermott “Dear Colleague” Letter on Gaza (http://www.cnionline.org/legislation/house-of-representatives/text-and-signers-of-gaza-lette/ - broken link)
Well, there goes their AIPAC contributions in the upcoming mid terms.
Have more Palestinians died than Israelis - Sure. Do all news news networks (and edit it to fit their own agenda) put thier own spin on things there - Sure. Has Hamas created numerous falsehoods a few times too many - Yup. Even Al Jazeera rarely reports anything anymore from that part of the region.
As to 1948 the Zionists and the Arab League had a war. The Zionists won 75% of the land. Period.
In 1967 the Israelis had a war with Jordan. Jordan lost the West Bank to Israel. Land belongs to Israel. Period.
In 1967 the Israelis had a war with Egypt. Egypt lost the Gaza Stip to Israel. Land belongs to Israel. Period.
In 1967 the Israelis had a war with Syria. Syria lost the Golan Heights to Israel. Land belongs to Israel. Period.
Name any other country that had to give land won in war back to the losing nation.
Were there displacements - sure on both sides.
Was a peace treaty signed with Egypt - Yes. Did they want the Gaza Strip back - No (they didnt even want the other half of Rafah back).
Was a peace treaty signed with Jordan - Yes. Did they want the West Bank back - No.
You want Israel to give up kilometers in exchange for centimeters. I don't.
Its time for Hamas to grow up and become a political party and stop all missles/mortars being fired out of the Gaza Strip. No other country on the planet allows this or stands for it on its land. Stop the attacks. Period. Palestinian aid is out there waiting. Israel has already removed all of the Jews and military outposts out of the area.
Imports. Israel is the customs agency. The Gaza strip is within Israel. Israel has the right to inspect any shipment to any area. The sea outside of Gaza belongs to Israel, thus all imports must come in through customs.
Egypt. They do not need to open a crossing directly into Gaza. Why? Because Gaza is in Israel. Israel gets to choose where the imports come into its own country. There is no other country that allows imports to be dropped off anywhere else but a customs port.
So all this said. What can be done from this day forward?
Have more Palestinians died than Israelis - Sure. Do all news news networks (and edit it to fit their own agenda) put thier own spin on things there - Sure. Has Hamas created numerous falsehoods a few times too many - Yup. Even Al Jazeera rarely reports anything anymore from that part of the region.
Well true, nowadays most news channels focus on Afghanistan.
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As to 1948 the Zionists and the Arab League had a war. The Zionists won 75% of the land. Period.
Before 1948 it was called Palestine, and both sides lived in peace, until the Zionists started hinting about creating a Jewish state which was accepted but not accepted to displace Palestinian civilians and then name it Israel.
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In 1967 the Israelis had a war with Jordan. Jordan lost the West Bank to Israel. Land belongs to Israel. Period.
It wasn't Israel's land, Israel took it by force.
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In 1967 the Israelis had a war with Egypt. Egypt lost the Gaza Stip to Israel. Land belongs to Israel. Period.
So Israel tried to occupy more lands and they succeeded by doing that, thats a smart way to create a state by negotiating violently.
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In 1967 the Israelis had a war with Syria. Syria lost the Golan Heights to Israel. Land belongs to Israel. Period.
Again who's land was it before the war? It wasn't Israel's land and again they took it violently.
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Name any other country that had to give land won in war back to the losing nation.
Well its common sense, if you takeover a land that doesn't belong to you violently, you will never give it back.
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Were there displacements - sure on both sides.
The Zionists wanted Arab Jews to get displaced so they can have a seizable population, they tried to convince Arab Jews to migrate since the 1800s and they failed, so the harassments these innocent arab jews faced in the 1940s was the only they would migrate to Israel, and this what the Zionists were wishing for.
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Was a peace treaty signed with Egypt - Yes. Did they want the Gaza Strip back - No (they didnt even want the other half of Rafah back).
They didn't want it because they didn't want any more people to die and if the Egyptians lost the war, Israel would have claimed more land.
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Was a peace treaty signed with Jordan - Yes. Did they want the West Bank back - No.
Same as Egypt
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You want Israel to give up kilometers in exchange for centimeters. I don't.
I do.
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Its time for Hamas to grow up and become a political party and stop all missles/mortars being fired out of the Gaza Strip. No other country on the planet allows this or stands for it on its land. Stop the attacks. Period. Palestinian aid is out there waiting. Israel has already removed all of the Jews and military outposts out of the area.
They're barley a government, Israel didn't give them the chance to form an official government since they won the elections, they have been distracting them for 4 years, thats another reason why they throw rockets into Israel.
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Imports. Israel is the customs agency. The Gaza strip is within Israel. Israel has the right to inspect any shipment to any area. The sea outside of Gaza belongs to Israel, thus all imports must come in through customs.
Well its theirs since they displaced, killed, and injured innocent Palestinians.
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Egypt. They do not need to open a crossing directly into Gaza. Why? Because Gaza is in Israel. Israel gets to choose where the imports come into its own country. There is no other country that allows imports to be dropped off anywhere else but a customs port.
The Egyptian government is scared of Israel period, they get bossed around.
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So all this said. What can be done from this day forward?
Treat the Palestinians the sameway the Natives in the US/Canada get treated, and then there will be major signs of improvements, because Hamas would lose a lot of power that way.
The Palestinians can't just jump to a favorable end. There are steps that need to be followed.
Well they shouldn't suffer because this is 2010 not the 1800s, the world have improved overall, the US/Canada learned from their past mistakes, why should Israel follow the same path? This way peace won't be achieved, and this conflict will be a never ending cycle. We've already had Israel oppressing Palestine for the last 62 years, and that achieved nothing but hate and extremist groups.
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