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I'm afraid i'm going to have to go against the majority of voters in this thread and say that I don't want to repeal DADT. If you're serving your country in the armed forces, there is no reason for you to divulge your sexuality.
You don't even have to "divulge your sexuality" in order to be discharged. If you enter a same-sex civil union or marriage, it's grounds for discharge. If you're seen at a gay event or at a gay bar, it's grounds for discharge.
Heterosexuals "divulge their sexuality" whenever they talk about their boyfriends, girlfriends, husbands, or wives. I think homosexuals should have the same right.
Don't Ask, Don't tell is an asinine policy.
We should, MUST go back to the policy of asking right up front...and if the prospective recruit answers "yes" then they can NOT be admitted. Homosexuals should NOT be allowed to serve in the military.
Homosexuality is completely inconsistent with the core military values of Honor, Courage and Commitment.
There is no job in the military that Homosexuals can do, that is not already being done by normal people. (yes, that's right....Homosexuality is NOT normal behavior)
The military is NOT there, does NOT exist merely as a place where Homosexuals can go and be fulfilled.....have meaning in their personal lives.
The notion that the military is, or should be a perfect reflection of society is a false one. The military has higher standards. We wear uniforms, we demand that people meet a basic modicum of physical reediness and follow the chain of command, obey the lawful orders of those placed over them. This is not the case in civil society...even so....in civil society the issue of homosexuals in society is far from settled...their place in society (if they even have one at all) is NOT a sure thing....Many states have voted down notions of "gay marriage". Efforts to push Homosexuals into the military openly or otherwise is totally politically motivated.
In what possible way will having homos in the military make the military better?
In what possible way will homos make the job easier?
How will we handle issues like "partners"....Married heteros get to deploy and are housed w/ their partners....how will we handle this issue w/ homos? What about the HIV tests....How will it be when the units openly homosexual troop is standing in line for the HIV test?.....How will this not single that person out? Why would this person then not charge the military with further discrimination???
Homosexuals have shown themselves to be far more likely to have multiple partners than Heterosexuals and far more likely to have unprotected sex than heteros...In what possibly way is that type of loose and hopelessly indecent sexual activity consistent with Honor? How is that possibly consistent with higher levels of character and selflessness? Do people SERIOUSLY want the military to bend over for the q/u/e/e/r sexual proclivities of a small loudmouthed group of individuals who expect the military to set aside everything they've built in the last 240 some odd years...in order to admit a few very strange people and their "sexual lifestyle"...This is not what the military is about. The argument over nature or nurture is far from over as well. Even if Homosexuality was pure "nature"....so might be stupidity....or there could be a bad "criminal" gene....We would not let those people in either, so that argument is hollow too. The military has standards. Standards that are MUCH higher than in civil society. If you're over weight, over age and can't see....you don't get a slot at flight school....period. You can't be a fighter pilot, we have standards that we uphold because they help us find the right people who are best at completing the missions of the military with the least number of casualties . The military is NOT there to obit around you and all your whims and desires. We don't let you in if you don't meet the standard. Those with criminal pasts, gang tat's and what not are not let in. Why admit homosexuals? Only the homosexual political agenda will benefit from having homosexuals in the military...no one else will benefit at all.... How about security clearances.....How about the endless embarrassment this will cause....the horridly foolish scenes of homosexual service members engaging in some nasty act of "public affection" (seemingly the whole point of much in the homosexual agenda in the first place.....shocking the public for the sheer fun of it...now...how can such a stupid self centered and patently gross activity fit in the military?)
Really people...is any of this the military's job??? Is this really our mission? Sexuality is NOT the military's mission. Our mission is war-fighting. Let the left-wing college campuses play games with "equalizing" homosexual political agendas with normal society, it's not the military's business. For many centuries the military forces of the world have struggled to eliminate variables and unknowns from the battle space....and now for completely spurious reasons we are being forced to introduce the exact unknown that causes humanity the most headache...that of sexuality. There simply is NO place for this silliness in the service. Think about it....think what the word SERVICE really means....it means serving the NATION, the CONSTITUTION fighting for your brothers...not lusting after them....it means serving and protecting the weak....not using politics and pressure to get something for your self....not serving yourself at the expense of others..not serving your q/u/e/e/r sexual political goals but thinking of others and DENYING yourself.
NO. Of course not....Homosexuals should NOT be allowed in the military. Ask, and keep out.
Last edited by Happy Cells; 02-03-2010 at 01:02 AM..
Don't Ask, Don't tell is an asinine policy.
We should, MUST go back to the policy of asking right up front...and if the prospective recruit answers "yes" then they can NOT be admitted. Homosexuals should NOT be allowed to serve in the military.
Homosexuality is completely inconsistent with the core military values of Honor, Courage and Commitment.
There is no job in the military that Homosexuals can do, that is not already being done by normal people. (yes, that's right....Homosexuality is NOT normal behavior)
The military is NOT there, does NOT exist merely as a place where Homosexuals can go and be fulfilled.....have meaning in their personal lives.
The notion that the military is, or should be a perfect reflection of society is a false one. The military has higher standards. We wear uniforms, we demand that people meet a basic modicum of physical reediness and follow the chain of command, obey the lawful orders of those placed over them. This is not the case in civil society...even so....in civil society the issue of homosexuals in society is far from settled...their place in society (if they even have one at all) is NOT a sure thing....Many states have voted down notions of "gay marriage". Efforts to push Homosexuals into the military openly or otherwise is totally politically motivated.
In what possible way will having homos in the military make the military better?
In what possible way will homos make the job easier?
How will we handle issues like "partners"....Married heteros get to deploy and are housed w/ their partners....how will we handle this issue w/ homos? What about the HIV tests....How will it be when the units openly homosexual troop is standing in line for the HIV test?.....How will this not single that person out? Why would this person then not charge the military with further discrimination???
Homosexuals have shown themselves to be far more likely to have multiple partners than Heterosexuals and far more likely to have unprotected sex than heteros...In what possibly way is that type of loose and hopelessly indecent sexual activity consistent with Honor? How is that possibly consistent with higher levels of character and selflessness? Do people SERIOUSLY want the military to bend over for the ***** sexual proclivities of a small loudmouthed group of individuals who expect the military to set aside everything they've built in the last 240 some odd years...in order to admit a few very strange people and their "sexual lifestyle"...This is not what the military is about. The argument over nature or nurture is far from over as well. Even if Homosexuality was pure "nature"....so might be stupidity....or there could be a bad "criminal" gene....We would not let those people in either, so that argument is hollow as well. The military has standards. Standards that are MUCH higher than in civil society. If your over weight, over age and can't see....you don't get a slot at flight school....period. The military is NOT there to obit around you and all your whims and desires. We don't let you in if you don't meet the standard. How about security clearances.....How about the endless embarrassment this will cause....the horridly foolish scenes of homosexual service members engaging in some nasty act of "public affection" (seeming the whole point of much in the homosexual agenda.....shocking the public for the sheer fun of it...now...how can such a stupid self centered and patently gross activity fit in the military?)
Really people...is any of this the military's job??? Is this really our mission?
NO. Of course not....Homosexuals should NOT be allowed in the military. Ask, and keep out.
You don't even have to "divulge your sexuality" in order to be discharged. If you enter a same-sex civil union or marriage, it's grounds for discharge. If you're seen at a gay event or at a gay bar, it's grounds for discharge.
Heterosexuals "divulge their sexuality" whenever they talk about their boyfriends, girlfriends, husbands, or wives. I think homosexuals should have the same right.
Add this to your perspective-- when paper pushers are obliged to randomly assign housing to petty officers in pairs for a 2 br apartment for maximum efficiency sake, how much pain are you asking them to undertake when they have to make sure a gay isn't being forced to share an apartment with a mormon?
Here's another scenario-- my job is to do a quarterly performance report in the form of 'marks'. If you get bad marks that affect your ability to be promoted, will you then use the argument that I must be homophobic because you're gay? These kinds of criteria throwing a wrench in the works is a real PITA.
How many allowances and exceptions will the military system have to jump around to function? Put too many upon them, it ceases to function efficiently and everyone suffers.
The logistics/ protocol aren't in place to substitute the automatic removal of DADT policy. I agree there's unfairness happening to gays, but rules are there to protect both parties if you'll allow yourself to see it from that perspective. A fence cuts both ways in it's definition.
I think you'd be wise to listen to Colin Powell's speech in that other thread. He isn't saying never, he's saying it's not as simple as erasing one piece of paper to unravel the numerous complexities involved. The very same thing happened when females were open to coming into service, and it was incredibly awkward for commands to shift gears so harshly. Perhaps you could read some of sailordaves posts and see the mistakes of the past, or take my word for it that it is possible for things to go smoothly if only policy were hammered out properly. That is, more than a company memo handing down a mandate, guidance to chains of command needs to take place.
Homosexuals have shown themselves to be far more likely to have multiple partners than Heterosexuals and far more likely to have unprotected sex than heteros...
You know, heterosexuals are more likely to be pedos, molestors, rapists, and all that jazz
By the way, use paragraph indentations and spacings the next time you feel the need to rant as that post was a reflection of how poorly educated you are in the written language. Also, abusing the ellipsis is way more offensive to some than gays in the military
With the increase in internet-capable younger generations, the military recruitment numbers are sure to go down. For years the types of people who joined the military didn't have access to good information that informed them as to what the United States did abroad, and why. Now they do.
One hopes that not too many people are willing to be killers-for-hire for what amounts to a corporate war(s) revolving around Israel.
Soon they'll be recruiting at Gay Pride Parades in the desperate hope that one or two are dumb enough to die for about 30 grand a year.
Any male soldiers if you have been sexually assaulted by a homosexual in the military please contact the below listed numbers.
To report a sexual assault in a military service, contact a sexual assault response coordinator or victim advocate. Local contact information is provided by each military service. There also is a central hot line:
Stateside: 800-342-9647
Overseas: 00-800-3429-6477
Overseas collect: 484-530-5908
Reports can be confidential; victims are encouraged but not required to notify their command or law enforcement
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