Why are so many on the left NOT religious? (difference, America, school)
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So you can not prove the origin of man by the eveolutionary theory
If you mean the origin of life, that's been said repeatedly. What's your point?
It's a million times more feasible than creationism (in terms of how flora/fauna came to be), as it is backed by volumes and volumes of observable evidence.
So you can not prove the origin of man by the eveolutionary theory
Oh to the contrary. The Theory of Evolution is conclusive regarding the origins of modern man. Besides the paleontological record, genetics has shut the door on non-evolutionary theory.
My daughter attended a Lutheran college and majored in biology. One of her required courses was a course on evolution. She had a professor there who did not believe in evolution and he said he was told he could not be the head of the bio dept for that reason. A lot of these beliefs come down to personal choice of the individual, not the church's edict.
Here are the postitions of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America on choice, stem-cell research, separation of church and state, and gay marriage. These are church-wide positions. Of course, individual members may have their own opinions. The gays in the ministry position has been somewhat divisive since it was adopted last summer. Some have left the church, but the church stands by its position.
Work with civil authorities in areas of mutual endeavor, maintaining institutional separation of church and state in a relation of functional interaction (ELCA 4.03.n.).
Please prove to me then that the evolutionary theory proves as a fact the origin of man
You might as well ask someone to prove that you can write a symphony. The fact is that you can write a symphony and I can prove it.
But first you'll have to learn to read and write music. Then you'll have to learn music theory. Then you'll have to study other symphonic works and then finally you can write your own symphony albeit a very poor one most likely.
The point is that it's complicated and takes a long time to learn and understand. It's the same way with evolution. That's why I say that you need an education. And you really do. I'm not trying to be a d*ck here, but face up to the fact: You have a mind like a child's -completely devoid of rational thought process. In scientific circles there is no debate whatsoever on the validity of evolutionary theory. But somehow you are smarter than all these educated people who have devoted a lifetime of study to the subject.
That's some ego you have there wjtwet.
I give up. You can't reason with the unreasonable.
If you mean the origin of life, that's been said repeatedly. What's your point?
It's a million times more feasible than creationism (in terms of how flora/fauna came to be), as it is backed by volumes and volumes of observable evidence.
the point is what I have said all along . There is no way to prove if man was created by god, or if you do not believe in god, you also can not prove how man got on earth.
So either side must uses faith to back their contention.
Faith is the belief is something that can not be proved
You might as well ask someone to prove that you can write a symphony. The fact is that you can write a symphony and I can prove it.
But first you'll have to learn to read and write music. Then you'll have to learn music theory. Then you'll have to study other symphonic works and then finally you can write your own symphony albeit a very poor one most likely.
The point is that it's complicated and takes a long time to learn and understand. It's the same way with evolution. That's why I say that you need an education. And you really do. I'm not trying to be a d*ck here, but face up to the fact: You have a mind like a child's -completely devoid of rational thought process. In scientific circles there is no debate whatsoever on the validity of evolutionary theory. But somehow you are smarter than all these educated people who have devoted a lifetime of study to the subject.
That's some ego you have there wjtwet.
I give up. You can't reason with the unreasonable.
Have a nice day.
there is no ego involved.
you must have faith to believe man was created by god
You must have faith that man was not created by god.
neither can be proved so you have to have faith in what you you choose to believe in.
I truly do not see why you can argue that simple statement.
the point is what I have said all along . There is no way to prove if man was created by god, or if you do not believe in god, you also can not prove how man got on earth.
So either side must uses faith to back their contention.
Faith is the belief is something that can not be proved
Evolution is based on volumes and volumes of observable facts and data. The weakness in Evolution Theory is origins of life, not the origins of man. You are trying to exploit that weakness in ways that do not hold water. Observable facts show that plants and animals change over time - they evolve. The data is undeniable. The reason Evolution is believable is observable evidence.
Creationism is based on a fable. There is no evidence, except for one fictional book, to support it. The only way to believe in Creationism is faith.
If you want to equate the two like you have, your faith has completely trumped your ability to reason, and reasonable discussion with such a person is futile.
Believe what you want.
I'll observe the facts and base what I know on that, but I thoroughly respect your capacity to believe as I point out your inability to reason.
Evolution is based on volumes and volumes of observable facts and data. The weakness in Evolution Theory is origins of life, not the origins of man. You are trying to exploit that weakness in ways that do not hold water. Observable facts show that plants and animals change over time - they evolve. The data is undeniable. The reason Evolution is believable is observable evidence.
Creationism is based on a fable. There is no evidence, except for one fictional book, to support it. The only way to believe in Creationism is faith.
If you want to equate the two like you have, your faith has completely trumped your ability to reason, and reasonable discussion with such a person is futile.
Believe what you want.
I'll observe the facts and base what I know on that, but I thoroughly respect your capacity to believe as I point out your inability to reason.
there are no facts that prove the evolutionary theory proves the origin of life . In fact the evolutionary theory does nto even discuss the origin of life.
And you can beleive what you want and have faith in science
Congratulations. You posted examples of places other than the United States... Now, if it's "too easy" show an example from the United States.
Because I could post at least 100 links of faith-believers using their faith in government. ((Albeit in about 7 hours when I wake up.))
In your post you stated :
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I don't see atheist politicians enacting laws and repealing laws because their faith (or lack thereof) guides them to.
I can't think of any example in America were avowed Atheist politicans have held the levers of political power. Therefore, We have to look at other countries for examples of how atheists treat believer when the atheists are in power.
The closest thing we have to a community run with purely secular or aethistic values in america is college campuses. And there we get this:
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Christians, from conservative to liberal, say that on a college campus they not infrequently experience overt disrespect - and sometimes even discrimination
...And that's from the more even-handed CSM, I'll spare you the dozens of links to more strident Christain sites on the topic of anti-Christian & anti-religous discrimination in Academia.
So please, don't act like atheists in power treat the faithful well.
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